how stupid is Father Elijah?

[Ciaran Zagami]

seriously.

he wants to loot one of the most dangerous areas in the whole wastland
so how does he go about assembling a team? kidnap random wasters and pray they are smart enough to figure everything out and won't kill each other.

and then when he captures a guy whit a full suit of power armor 90000 stimpaks and enough explosives to level the Mojave and build a castle out of bullets what does he do?

take all your stuff and bin it leaving you to survive with nothing but a have broken peice of ♥♥♥♥ rifle and whatever garbage you can scrape up.

I get the feeling he doesn't actualy want people to survive.

[Xerkie]

if you repair it, the holorifle actually does more damage than the anti-materiel rifle or gauss rifle.

he never meant to leave you defenseless, did you bother to listen to him. to bring you there, he needs to run you through the Sierra Madre Security System by having Dog drag you there since he's stuck inside the Vault itself (more lore).

do you really think he'd be able to get anyone to willingly give him all the loot in the Sierra Madre and take none for himself? he kidnaps random wastelanders because, aside from Dog, he knows that NOBODY will co-operate with him, and kidnapping them and holding them to death threats is more viable.

also, at the point where you come in, you, Dog, Christine, and Dean Domino are the only ones sofar that Elijah has experimented the one-dies all-dies theory on.

[Ciaran Zagami]

I know the holorifle is good "if you repair it" but it starts out half way broken. and if dog took your stuff at the start where did he put it? did he eat it? if he ate it how do you get it back? it makes no sense why all your gear is gone the only logical explanation is that Elijah ordered Dog to take it and put it somewhere OR Dog ate it.

and if Elijah is as smart as we are told couldn't he just build a robot army to do it for him?

the whole kidnapping random people plan is just silly.

how does he know he won't kidnap a complete moron who doesn't even understand english? or a tottal psychopath who will just murder everyone? or someone with a really serious medical condition that renders them usless? or just some weak willed ♥♥♥♥♥ who would sooner turn the holorfile on themselves then face the horrors of the Madre?

and if Dog took your gear how do you start out with the special jumpsuit and the holorfile in the first damn place?

[Vassago Rain]

He was written by Chris Avellone, so pretty stupid.

But the reason you don't get any of your gear is because the casino has an advanced system that checks for any traces of radiation, forbidden materials, and etc. So even if you were his best friend, you'd still come there essentially naked and unarmed.

This justification, like so much else of Dead money, is all weaksauce excuses for why he did things the way he did.

[Ciaran Zagami]

his plan just makes no sense.

most other things in Deadmoney are pretty okay when it comes to writing.

but I refuse to accept that someone who is as "smart' as Eljiah would come up with such a half baked plan that basicly boils down to.

step 1: kidnap 4 people, hope to god that they are all smart enough to follow my orders, litterate, trained killers, stable enough to not kill themselves or each other.

step 2: tell them to do very complex and diffcult tasks. hope to god at least one has near super human strength, pray another one is smart enough to work a computer, pray a third can do whatever it is Dean does, and then hope one of them is enough of a bad ass to get to the bell tower.

step 3: open vault (since the team getting scattered and the Madre walls blocking the collar signals was not planed for it seems.)

step 4: pray that the vault isn't traped and that none of them can beat me to the vault and break everything or lock me out.

his plan leaves so much up to chance.

and if the Madre has some kind of super security that strips you naked.

how did the jump suit, bomb collars and jumpsuit not get logged as "banned" items?

[Vassago Rain]

Because Chris Avellone is a hack writer.

[Ciaran Zagami]

*googles Chris to see what else he's written* he wrote comic books. explains alot.

[Xerkie]

Originally posted by Oktober "Tiny Tobes" Blitz.:

I know the holorifle is good "if you repair it" but it starts out half way broken. and if dog took your stuff at the start where did he put it? did he eat it? if he ate it how do you get it back? it makes no sense why all your gear is gone the only logical explanation is that Elijah ordered Dog to take it and put it somewhere OR Dog ate it.

and if Elijah is as smart as we are told couldn't he just build a robot army to do it for him?

the whole kidnapping random people plan is just silly.

how does he know he won't kidnap a complete moron who doesn't even understand english? or a tottal psychopath who will just murder everyone? or someone with a really serious medical condition that renders them usless? or just some weak willed ♥♥♥♥♥ who would sooner turn the holorfile on themselves then face the horrors of the Madre?

and if Dog took your gear how do you start out with the special jumpsuit and the holorfile in the first damn place?

Dog didnt take it, did you read what I said. the Sierra Madre Security System stole your weaponry and armor because Dog had to drag you through it to get to the Sierra Madre itself.

as for the bomb collars and jumpsuit i dont know.

the holorifle is made of the sierra madre holograms and it wont run holograms through security.

yeah i agree his plan is extremely flawed, but none of your (original) points made any sense in terms of disproving his plans effectiveness.

[Vassago Rain]

He decided that fallout 2 needed the great addition of talking deathclaws. The man has added a lot to quite a few franchises over the years, this much is true, but he's also added a bunch of nonsense, and Dead money falls into the 'nonsense' category.

There's a reason none of the other DLCs use any of DM's design elements.

[AuldWolf]

@Vassago Rain

Incorrect! John Deiley created, designed, and wrote the talking deahtclaws, including everything related to their vault.

What Avellone did was throw around his bulk to ensure that the good ending the talking deathclaws had was removed, along with the means to save them from the Enclave.

Why? He hates talking animals. He regularly talks over other writers regarding anything non-human to proclaim them dead. He does that a lot. Talking over other writers, I mean. Along with ignoring their wishes regarding their creations, claiming credit for their work, and acting like those writers don't exist.

[TK421]

Does a madman needs logic or proper reasoning for his actions? He did go a tad crazy after Helios, keep in mind. Plus, as people have been saying, the game explains a good bit of what you're saying.

[Scythia]

The bomb collars and jumpsuits both come from Little Yangtze in BigMT. Elijah camped there and studied them. He presumably either found a way to clean them/hide them from the security scan, or he found an alternate way into the Sierra Madre area that didn't involve going through the security scan. It was most likely an arduous process, so not one that he'd replicate for anyone else.

My issue with Elijah is that he compulsively tinkers with energy weapons so much you'd think he's a tweaker.

[red255]

I understand why my weapons and armor are gone, but the security system shouldn't also remove my stimpacks and bobby pins. you don't have that stuff because dog put it in a bin by the door when he took your other stuff because its easier to give dog simple commands, take all his stuff put it in the bin bring him. etc.

[Hat8]

Originally posted by Rudolph the red gagged slut:

seriously.

he wants to loot one of the most dangerous areas in the whole wastland
so how does he go about assembling a team? kidnap random wasters and pray they are smart enough to figure everything out and won't kill each other.

and then when he captures a guy whit a full suit of power armor 90000 stimpaks and enough explosives to level the Mojave and build a castle out of bullets what does he do?

take all your stuff and bin it leaving you to survive with nothing but a have broken peice of♥♥♥♥♥♥rifle and whatever garbage you can scrape up.

I get the feeling he doesn't actualy want people to survive.

Pray? He forces them to work together with bomb collars and the promise of riches.

[Ciaran Zagami]

Originally posted by 4240876367:

Originally posted by Rudolph the red gagged slut:

seriously.

he wants to loot one of the most dangerous areas in the whole wastland
so how does he go about assembling a team? kidnap random wasters and pray they are smart enough to figure everything out and won't kill each other.

and then when he captures a guy whit a full suit of power armor 90000 stimpaks and enough explosives to level the Mojave and build a castle out of bullets what does he do?

take all your stuff and bin it leaving you to survive with nothing but a have broken peice of♥♥♥♥♥♥rifle and whatever garbage you can scrape up.

I get the feeling he doesn't actualy want people to survive.

Pray? He forces them to work together with bomb collars and the promise of riches.

Again, how does he know the person won't just kill themselves> what if they didnt have a pipboy how would he order them around? What if they were from Mexico and didn't speak english? What if they were a 1int sub-brick? His plan relies completely on luck that he will get 4 people with highly specialized skills, the intelegence, and persecerence to survive one of the most dangerous places in the wasteland

He's not some master planner and the only reason his plan even works is because Chris Avelone is a hack who lets his plot control his characters instead of the other way around which in a role play setting is lethal to any kind of player engagement

Originally posted by TK421:

Does a madman needs logic or proper reasoning for his actions? He did go a tad crazy after Helios, keep in mind. Plus, as people have been saying, the game explains a good bit of what you're saying.

Yes he does. It's called 'writing motivation" every single character ever written has a motivation.

[Hat8]

The game takes place in the United States so I don't think he has to worry about that as much.

You kinda miss the point. Elijah has killed many people trying to assemble a team and has slowly set up a process of ensuring that people don't betray eachother or try to escape.

Elijah's plan is to rely on the hologram and speakers to give orders

His plan relies on luck... games New Vegas, who would have thought.