PSA to all summons:

[Shard of Manus]

Lookie here pals. I summon for fun, and so people can have runes... but there has to be a rule.

If the host is setting up buffs before a fight, don't cast AoE buffs. All you are doing is overwriting the host's own buffs and ruining their buff-stack and all their timers.

You see a host buff, only cast your on-self buffs. No AoEs. Stop it.

[Lord Bob]

Be happy I don't cast Law of Regression lmao

But honestly, this isn't really an issue, in my opinion. It's not like a buff makes or breaks the entire fight against a boss. Plus you'll have to reapply again at some point, anyway.

[Knavenformed]

You can't expect full optimal play out of randoms and go out of your way like this.

If it's in their power fantasy to give you a nice buff, then I couldn't really complain if it made me 5% less optimal.

Maybe the only case where it's actually counterproductive is if they apply a weapon buff that overwrites/has negative synergy with your own, but a re-apply shouldn't be that costly
Aura buffs and body buffs are pretty much standard so you're not losing much

[mpcgannon]

Originally posted by Shard of Manus:

Lookie here pals. I summon for fun, and so people can have runes... but there has to be a rule.

If the host is setting up buffs before a fight, don't cast AoE buffs. All you are doing is overwriting the host's own buffs and ruining their buff-stack and all their timers.

You see a host buff, only cast your on-self buffs. No AoEs. Stop it.

Very interesting! I don't do either really so I have had little experience in this area. Good to know!

[Toyosatomimi no Miko]

Like the other guy said, be happy co-opers aren't casting law of regression, especially after you enter the boss arena.
I know I've done that quite a few times when I get sick of seeing the same varre-bullgoat quintuple-buffing abomination over and over.

[Shard of Manus]

Originally posted by Toyosatomimi no Miko:

Like the other guy said, be happy co-opers aren't casting law of regression, especially after you enter the boss arena.
I know I've done that quite a few times when I get sick of seeing the same varre-bullgoat quintuple-buffing abomination over and over.

Why?

I've played the game enough times. Co-op is about having fun, not having a challenge. You summon people so they get Runes - if someone summons you, why would you actively hinder them and try to get them killed?

The only time I'll hinder a person is if one of my summons pulls out Swift Slash, or one of the broken items, on an invader. They get a 'swift' boot for that.

Either way, I've just run the full game and DLC another time and was summoning for everything so everyone gets runes (although I admit I only summon people who look like fun, and not using obvious meta builds - anyone caught wearing full Alberich's or Black Dumpling certainly doesn't get picked up.
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I'm mostly advising summons on something that they should know.

Buffs don't all stack, they overwrite each other (depending on the buff); so people casting lots of overwriting buffs are just causing issues.

[Sabaithal]

From my experience most people don't actually know most of their buff spells are AoE, or that most of the ones they are using overwrite one another.

I wouldn't worry about it too much. If they are going to hinder you, that's fine, be a bit passive in the fight and watch them get their asses kicked for a bit.

[ezpz]

Usually the Host's buff routine consists of something like Golden Vow skill version, protection of erdtree, flame grant me strength, and then howl of shabriri. So I just completely ignore what they're doing because they obviously have no clue.

[Toyosatomimi no Miko]

Originally posted by Shard of Manus:

Originally posted by Toyosatomimi no Miko:

Like the other guy said, be happy co-opers aren't casting law of regression, especially after you enter the boss arena.
I know I've done that quite a few times when I get sick of seeing the same varre-bullgoat quintuple-buffing abomination over and over.

Why?

Bull goat varre
Bull goat varre
Bull goat varre
Bull goat varre
Bull goat varre
Bull goat varre
Bull goat varre
Bull goat varre
Bull goat varre
Bull goat varre
B̶̘̂ǘ̶͇l̸̹͋l̷͍̅ ̷̰́g̵̤̚ǒ̶̮à̵̭t̸̠͘ ̸̖̓v̴͕͆ă̸̘r̷̈́ͅr̴̯̉ë̵͔
B̶̘̂ǘ̶͇l̸̹͋l̷͍̅ ̷̰́g̵̤̚ǒ̶̮à̵̭t̸̠͘ ̸̖̓v̴͕͆ă̸̘r̷̈́ͅr̴̯̉ë̵͔
B̶̘̂ǘ̶͇l̸̹͋l̷͍̅ ̷̰́g̵̤̚ǒ̶̮à̵̭t̸̠͘ ̸̖̓v̴͕͆ă̸̘r̷̈́ͅr̴̯̉ë̵͔
B̶̘̂ǘ̶͇l̸̹͋l̷͍̅ ̷̰́g̵̤̚ǒ̶̮à̵̭t̸̠͘ ̸̖̓v̴͕͆ă̸̘r̷̈́ͅr̴̯̉ë̵͔
B̶̘̂ǘ̶͇l̸̹͋l̷͍̅ ̷̰́g̵̤̚ǒ̶̮à̵̭t̸̠͘ ̸̖̓v̴͕͆ă̸̘r̷̈́ͅr̴̯̉ë̵͔

Every single damn summon it's another metamancer with B̶̘̂ǘ̶͇l̸̹͋l̷͍̅ ̷̰́g̵̤̚ǒ̶̮à̵̭t̸̠͘ ̸̖̓v̴͕͆ă̸̘r̷̈́ͅr̴̯̉ë̵͔ or some other bleed build. And you get sick of seeing the same ♥♥♥♥ over and over. What's a bit of karmic retribution to someone copy-pasting off some crappy guide if not a bit of fun.

[Knavenformed]

Originally posted by Toyosatomimi no Miko:

Every single damn summon it's another metamancer with B̶̘̂ǘ̶͇l̸̹͋l̷͍̅ ̷̰́g̵̤̚ǒ̶̮à̵̭t̸̠͘ ̸̖̓v̴͕͆ă̸̘r̷̈́ͅr̴̯̉ë̵͔ or some other bleed build. And you get sick of seeing the same ♥♥♥♥ over and over. What's a bit of karmic retribution to someone copy-pasting off some crappy guide if not a bit of fun.

The problem with people wearing Varre Masks is that they most likely use a guide to play the game, and the longer they go the less their gear affects their personal play

So the more stacked someone is the higher chance there is that they will just die compared to someone not doing as much optimization

At that point it is not "help" anymore, but a challenge for yourself to get them through it instead
You're giving the man a fish, but they'll never learn to fish themselves

Bonus points if you do finish the fight and they don't even emote, just stand there waiting for you to leave, it's like someone is training an AI to play the game and you're a number on their data-sheet.

[Sólyom]

cringe

[Lynfinity]

Originally posted by Lord Bob:

Be happy I don't cast Law of Regression lmao

Now there's an idea of what I should have equipped on my RL 138 character.

Imagine spending up to a whole minute and up to two Blue Juice flasks buffing yourself, like you're about to fight some Monster Hunter-tier boss, and then a wild LoR Andy snaps his fingers and erases it all.

[Lynfinity]

Originally posted by Shard of Manus:

Co-op is about having fun

Originally posted by Shard of Manus:

The only time I'll hinder a person is if one of my summons pulls out Swift Slash, or one of the broken items, on an invader.

So your summons have to follow your own rules as to what is considered fun and what is not, otherwise you kick them out.

Way to go, champ!

[Sabaithal]

Originally posted by Lynfinity:

Originally posted by Lord Bob:

Be happy I don't cast Law of Regression lmao

Now there's an idea of what I should have equipped on my RL 138 character.

Imagine spending up to a whole minute and up to two Blue Juice flasks buffing yourself, like you're about to fight some Monster Hunter-tier boss, and then a wild LoR Andy snaps his fingers and erases it all.

Won't mean much when all of their buffs overwrote each other anyway.

[Shard of Manus]

Originally posted by Lynfinity:

Originally posted by Shard of Manus:

Co-op is about having fun

Originally posted by Shard of Manus:

The only time I'll hinder a person is if one of my summons pulls out Swift Slash, or one of the broken items, on an invader.

So your summons have to follow your own rules as to what is considered fun and what is not, otherwise you kick them out.

Way to go, champ!

No, they have to follow the rules of not ruining other peoples' fun with spam.

Nobody likes fighting Swift Slash. It's an absurd Ash of War and we all know it. It's an indignity to be on the same team as someone that pulls that out for PvP and just tries to spam L2. Screw that - the invader didn't come for a fight just to be faced with BS.

[Krazy Wallet]

Originally posted by Lord Bob:

Be happy I don't cast Law of Regression lmao

You would forever be my sunbro if I saw you do that to me and the host