SEGA FFS JUST REMOVE DENUVO YOU AINT STOPPING PIRACY WITH THIS ♥♥♥♥ YOUR JUST MAKING THE GAME RUN WORSE

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COME ON

[Shadic]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Eco (derogatory):

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Shadicluigi:

Still a sale. Sega counts it as a positive. You can deny gifts on steam.

? what? Yes you absolutely can LOL

I don't get it did you misread what I said?

[Xerxes]

Every day the game goes by uncracked proves Denuvo's worth as an investment, even if it gets cracked eventually, the time it stays uncracked is worth for the Publishers. Two days and so far uncracked more people would buy it.

[Shadic]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Xerxes:

Every day the game goes by uncracked proves Denuvo's worth as an investment, even if it gets cracked eventually, the time it stays uncracked is worth for the Publishers. Two days and so far uncracked more people would buy it.

exactly

[Mez Koo]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Xerxes:

Every day the game goes by uncracked proves Denuvo's worth as an investment, even if it gets cracked eventually, the time it stays uncracked is worth for the Publishers. Two days and so far uncracked more people would buy it.

If it makes it to the first sale then a lot of people are probably going to say "f it I'll just buy it."

[Super Zat]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Shadicluigi:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Super Zat:

Ill point out that Doom eternal is a bad example of working "Amazing". Anyone playing on Linux went from near perfect performance to unplayable at all. I personally went from a few seconds to load to the main screen to waiting a solid 5 minutes before even the Bethesda logo would show up and that was Windows 10. I can pull up more examples if gotta but that not the full extent of DE's problems.


Sonic Frontiers Denuvo is actually not bad. Its not invasive for most users. I have had zero problems.

That wont stop me from warning people and recommending they wait tell Denuvo is removed. IMO Denuvo should not be thier.

I left a recommended review but Denuvo is one of the first problems I talked about in that review.

Almost like it isn't a linux game

Hmm. Just going to ignore me on windows 10 eh? Okay Ill bite.

First my problem may be something undenuvo related but It never happened until denuvo was patched in. Now ut always does it even afrer reinstall and other steps.

Disclaimer: This is the anti cheat, not the DRM. So its a false equivalent I didn't catch here.

Heres a reddit thread talking about it
https://www.reddit.com/r/Doom/comments/gjzi01/why_you_should_remove_doom_eternal_denuvo/

Issues discussed within include (edit: this refers to the anti-cheat. My mistake again.)
* Stop Errors (Blue Screens)
* Performance Degradation (reduced framerates, stuttering, excessive loads times, etc.)
* Inability to launch game on Windows
* Driver continues to run even after it is "uninstalled."
* Driver reinstalling itself without the game being ran

Heres an example of an outage that stop games from working outright.
https://gamerant.com/denuvo-drm-outage-major-games-unplayable/


And to you Linux comment. Really? Second class citizens are we? This software isnt necessary or that helpful to piracy.

Im going be straight with you if you think that I have play on thier intended
platform and user that do are the only ones that matter? Your part of the problem.

I dont need your launcher, your OS, or your invasive DRM. Never complain. Let them keep fudging the line because they will.

I bought sonic, I left a positive review because I liked the game but I still told them denuvo sucks at the top of it. Ive not bought games over denuvo.

I get that its everywhere but I don't understand not at least telling them it sucks because it does? Whatever, they wont stop. My wallet be damned.

[Mez Koo]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Super Zat:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Shadicluigi:

Almost like it isn't a linux game

Hmm. Just going to ignore me on windows 10 eh? Okay Ill bite.

First my problem may be something undenuvo related but It never happened until denuvo was patched in. Now ut always does it even afrer reinstall and other steps.

Heres a reddit thread talking about it
https://www.reddit.com/r/Doom/comments/gjzi01/why_you_should_remove_doom_eternal_denuvo/

Issues discussed within include
* Stop Errors (Blue Screens)
* Performance Degradation (reduced framerates, stuttering, excessive loads times, etc.)
* Inability to launch game on Windows
* Driver continues to run even after it is "uninstalled."
* Driver reinstalling itself without the game being ran

That's all about a completely different thing... Its literally in the reddit thread you posted. Denuvo Anti-Tamper is NOT Denuvo Anti-Cheat. One just makes sure that your copy of the game is legal by doing online checks while they other locks down the game and monitors your pc.

[Super Zat]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Mez Koo:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Super Zat:

Hmm. Just going to ignore me on windows 10 eh? Okay Ill bite.

First my problem may be something undenuvo related but It never happened until denuvo was patched in. Now ut always does it even afrer reinstall and other steps.

Heres a reddit thread talking about it
https://www.reddit.com/r/Doom/comments/gjzi01/why_you_should_remove_doom_eternal_denuvo/

Issues discussed within include
* Stop Errors (Blue Screens)
* Performance Degradation (reduced framerates, stuttering, excessive loads times, etc.)
* Inability to launch game on Windows
* Driver continues to run even after it is "uninstalled."
* Driver reinstalling itself without the game being ran

That's all about a completely different thing... Its literally in the reddit thread you posted. Denuvo Anti-Tamper is NOT Denuvo Anti-Cheat. One just makes sure that your copy of the game is legal by doing online checks while they other locks down the game and monitors your pc.

Fair, but its removed and im still having my problem. Im still to this day having that issue I had with just straight denuvo.

Still if we talking denuvo on the whole, not just DRM. That caused problems to the point they removed it. Thats pretty significant.

I am also aware that only the DRM is in frontiers, not anti-cheat version for obvious reasons.

Still always online DRM sucks too and could make the game unplayable one day. (Save for cracked versions.)

I dont care, its not needed, it causes problems even if minor. Id like denuvo removed.

[mresc]

+1. I bought this game to support the franchise, but I'm seriously considering refunding it until Denuvo is removed.
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxWjHzD62tI
- https://everythingdenuvo.wordpress.com/

[Shadic]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Super Zat:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Shadicluigi:

Almost like it isn't a linux game

Issues discussed within include
* Stop Errors (Blue Screens)
* Performance Degradation (reduced framerates, stuttering, excessive loads times, etc.)
* Inability to launch game on Windows
* Driver continues to run even after it is "uninstalled."
* Driver reinstalling itself without the game being ran

That's denuvo ANTI CHEAT, which was already removed. Low framerates and poor loading times are definitely not common seeing as it's commonly praised for it's high performance. It's also a 2 year old thread so I guarantee none of those issues still occur. If they are for you your PC has issues.

[Shadic]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von mresc:

+1. I bought this game to support the franchise, but I'm seriously considering refunding it until Denuvo is removed.
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxWjHzD62tI
- https://everythingdenuvo.wordpress.com/

Yes because the outage is still ongoing somehow? Is this relevant even being a whole year old?

[Shadic]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Super Zat:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Mez Koo:

That's all about a completely different thing... Its literally in the reddit thread you posted. Denuvo Anti-Tamper is NOT Denuvo Anti-Cheat. One just makes sure that your copy of the game is legal by doing online checks while they other locks down the game and monitors your pc.

Fair, but its removed and im still having my problem. Im still to this day having that issue I had with just straight denuvo.

Still if we talking denuvo on the whole, not just DRM. That caused problems to the point they removed it. Thats pretty significant.

I am also aware that only the DRM is in frontiers, not anti-cheat version for obvious reasons.

Still always online DRM sucks too and could make the game unplayable one day. (Save for cracked versions.)

I dont care, its not needed, it causes problems even if minor. Id like denuvo removed.

Denuvo isn't always online though? https://streamable.com/luioju It's not needed sure but you can't lie and say it doesn't work. Last sonic game that got cracked was forces which is 5 years old.

[Kaldaien]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von mresc:

+1. I bought this game to support the franchise, but I'm seriously considering refunding it until Denuvo is removed.
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxWjHzD62tI
- https://everythingdenuvo.wordpress.com/

Just so you know, 90% of what's written on that second page you linked to is wrong. You can test the claims yourself if you don't believe me.

[Shinshiva]

Working like a charm here, like nearly all denuvo games so far, but toaster player might encounter issues yeah...

This debate ressembles each sega's game debate :D

[Shadic]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Shinshiva:

Working like a charm here, like nearly all denuvo games so far, but toaster player might encounter issues yeah...

This debate ressembles each sega's game debate :D

Seems they have major issues when running denuvo games somehow the rest of the player base don't. All the videos they cite are years old too.

[Super Zat]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Shadicluigi:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Super Zat:

Fair, but its removed and im still having my problem. Im still to this day having that issue I had with just straight denuvo.

Still if we talking denuvo on the whole, not just DRM. That caused problems to the point they removed it. Thats pretty significant.

I am also aware that only the DRM is in frontiers, not anti-cheat version for obvious reasons.

Still always online DRM sucks too and could make the game unplayable one day. (Save for cracked versions.)

I dont care, its not needed, it causes problems even if minor. Id like denuvo removed.

Denuvo isn't always online though? https://streamable.com/luioju It's not needed sure but you can't lie and say it doesn't work. Last sonic game that got cracked was forces which is 5 years old.

Fair, but always online does not necessarly mean "You must be online to play" it can also mean "Continuously connects to an online server.".

That said, that term is used to often incorrectly and I cant confirm how offen it checks so im willing to take that L.

Dunevo still does a first time check then waits for hardware changes before checking again. Idk how offen it checks inbtween but the Idea that company can die and one day require a server that may not be there bugs me. Correct me if im wrong.

Look I hate false claims too. That said still cant defend it as a permanent fixture and perfer it not be there at all.

Again SF runs great for me but im not going defened invasive DRM just because sega wont stop. Its not about my immediate experience. Its about longevity, and alot people dont care about it enough.

Fun fact art gets lost alot. Some films will never be seen again. We almost lost nosferatu.
https://screenrant.com/nosferatu-movie-silent-vampire-classic-not-lost-forever/

Edit: Btw, was wrong about doom DRM situation. If there is still problems then I cant find them, at least with DRM. Kernel Anti-cheat still sucks though.