Dota 2
Legion TD: Reborn
Every Round Guide [Lowest Cost]
Guide proven innefficient.
Last edited by Jones_Crimson; Dec 8, 2015 @ 1:34pm
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This is what one would call the "mass spider" cheese strat. I discussed that in my guides video. Youll realize how inconsistent this opening is vs good players, but other then that heres my input:


Wheres the eco? you dont explain when to eco at all.

Why would you choose this opening over the consisten Bug Duo , or the other risky FlowerBear?

What does this opening do for yu as a player?

what can you do after wave 11 to stay up to snuff?

And most importantly
Does this scale int late game?



For me personally, this would leak medusas all day if you would play against me because i would just prepare a 120-150 tango send and bam. It looks a tad inconsistent and if you really dont have enough eco , chances are you fall behind with a very early game build. The spiders scale horribly into late game and block the path for more important units later, many many waves should have no problem killing this off easily.
The problem with a minimalistic approach is that many people will not understand to why this is important . It makes no sense really. in theory yes, you can just go mass spiders and bugs, in practise, this is an really awkward build and nothing people actually want to do. Actually this is so "on the edge" on 3-4 waves already, that any send would ruin it.

ever since the tango changes you dont want to leak till round 12 at ALL, beacuse otherwise youre guranteed to get behind. i explained that too in the video i made. leaking early is the nr 1 cause for losing games in the late game, since your start up takes too long.

i can look into the actual game files, dont take everything i say for granted but i do have alot of things to work with and i really did alot of hard math to come up with a consistent way to beat wave 1-11. :P
-25 Dec 7, 2015 @ 2:38am 
Terrible guide, no eco explain? low chances to defence lvl7 coz of splash dmg + income, no little spider on respown lvl 10 (boss Fatty), no location of builds on map, only 10 waves ? srsly, u win before 10wave ?
Jones_Crimson Dec 8, 2015 @ 12:30pm 
Originally posted by Muffet's Spider Muffin:
The problem with a minimalistic approach is that many people will not understand to why this is important.

Eco is the player's choice, this is not a comprehensive playstyle guide but an approach to stopping leaks. I had to do extensive testing in both private lobby and multiplayer in order to compile the above list, which is both safe and efficient.

I've been trying a dual bug strat recently, as I've noticed it is quite broken when done correctly, but I'm not good enough with it to suggest a build that gets through the first 11 waves without leaks.

Your criticism failed to be constructive, please provide data if you think you can help improve the guide.
Jones_Crimson Dec 8, 2015 @ 12:33pm 
Originally posted by Sweg 420 YOLO:
Terrible guide, no eco explain? low chances to defence lvl7 coz of splash dmg + income, no little spider on respown lvl 10 (boss Fatty), no location of builds on map, only 10 waves ? srsly, u win before 10wave ?

For every wave I had to start a private lobby match and build to that wave, then intentionally use the least units/gold possible. If I leaked on said wave, I would have to start over from the beginning and try a new approach.

Then on top of this I had to do a real multiplayer match in order to see if the build faired against units the other players bought on top of that wave.

So, for my conclusion, I direct your attention to the first line of the guide; THIS IS A WORK IN PROGRESS
-25 Dec 8, 2015 @ 12:55pm 
Calculation hears very ridicolous whan i reading this. Sry but it is really seems like u played 20 games and go whrite guide ) But for real its good choice if u dont wanna leak game for 1000000000000000000000%, but is it true for next waves? People starting get experience and game continious till 22+ wave. And i'll give u one advice dont test 1v1 game, difference between 1v1 and 4v4 is huge. And eco+ is the most important thing in legion TD. eco+no leaking = win game! Good luck in your job ! =)
P.S. Muffet's Spider Muffin -- is developer of this game
Last edited by -25; Dec 8, 2015 @ 1:00pm
one of the developers. Roof is the head dev.
Rokit Jan 12, 2016 @ 4:43pm 
Link to video you made pls?
Jones_Crimson Jan 12, 2016 @ 4:45pm 
Originally posted by Rokit:
Link to video you made pls?
It's in a different forum post.

We also worked together on his next video, an elementalbuilder guide
Yes, which i should be making but i had alot of time wasted on the human builder.

heres my video again incase you cant find it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LOW090JWjU
Rokit Jan 12, 2016 @ 11:07pm 
Thanks.
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