yes, nerf this ♥♥♥♥ pls

autolose on round 1 if u play vs ck

People who can kill havoc at r1 : tusk, musha, the big bear thing. Void might be able to win? I've not played a void vs havoc matchup yet so idk

Originally posted by Jesus:

People who can kill havoc at r1 : tusk, musha, the big bear thing. Void might be able to win? I've not played a void vs havoc matchup yet so idk

Isn't that kind of a small list? It's pretty easy to not get any of these with your first two rolls.

often winning seeking someone who dropped Havoc. uncontested unit, I'm tired of these horses, all of them build and if not dropped out of the game. I ask them to remove the vampirism, attack speed, and so amazing

Originally posted by Has Nice Buns:

Originally posted by Jesus:

People who can kill havoc at r1 : tusk, musha, the big bear thing. Void might be able to win? I've not played a void vs havoc matchup yet so idk

Isn't that kind of a small list? It's pretty easy to not get any of these with your first two rolls.

Yeah it's quite a small list. But then again, the units i listed are basically tier-1 starting units who don't have many counters too, havoc included.

He's not op, make tusk and sven and u will 100% win

Havoc not op at all, is very well balanced map imo!

Originally posted by euphoric ecstasic kid:

He's not op, make tusk and sven and u will 100% win

Having a few unit counters doesn't mean he's not OP. If you don't have these units against him, then you just straight up lose. Really hard. Like someone said earlier, it's very easy to not roll tusk or sven with your first two rolls meaning if you don't have these guys against havoc then you're screwed.

The real issue with this mod certainly is the fact that, for how well you can turn the tides with proper unit selection, you don't get to actually select units. This mod really is decided within the first few rounds, so honestly the game should legitimately end after those few rounds or the whole RNG element should be reduced.

Updated list of who can kill havoc : Tusk, Wraith King, Void(maybe), Big Bear, Musha, Lifestealer & Chief Lycan

ok, how to counter slark in shark mask? Auto-lose since 0 min

@Moucheron
Havoc, Iron Claw Silver Bear, Tusk, Void, Musha, Wraith king(pretty sure), Chief Lycan(pretty sure too), Atlas, Puck would help tremendously, Broodmother

@Jesus, none of this dont work man, can you try strategy before advising? :/

@Moucheron
have you tried using any of them?
If you still get owned with those starting units against a slark, I would advise you to uninstall dota because your skill level simply makes a disgrace out of this game.

Although I admit that this was the list to counter slark pre-buff (author must have been smoking weed while making this change, basically +400 health to slark, while only increasing the damage of Clinkz by... 2), it might change marginally after the buff. But then, saying that slark is auto-win from minute zero is a proof of everyone's skill level playing this game.