I never posted anything on Nexus but it's something worth considering. I looked at the page for X4 and it does seem there is a sizable amount of downloads there. I'll have to look into how that process looks like.

It doesnt actually download for some reason.

nexxus is the biggest page for modds , for everyone since years. while steam is only for steam users. and thats why mostly all mooders upload to nexxus as well .and belive me, nexxus is not having a downlod speed limit, for no reason :P

It's a bit of a mess even for steam users now. So many mod creators have problems maintaining their mods on steam because apparently it bugs out once in a while. Not to mention the steam implementation especially for this game is quite a mess. It doesn't remove modfiles when you unsubscribe them, leading to a right on mess.

Nexusmods has a very clean implementation on the other hand, it handles everything from installing, updating, cleaning mod folder to deinstalling or having multiple versions. They have a app called vortex that does it.

You get most mods to X4 on their page, and some that are not even on the workshop. You can even mix and match the two.

Worth mentioning that the current version of VRO is only on nexusmods atm since your working on a submod for that.

never ever let nexxus install mod files for u ......
espacaly not for x4 .....
just DL them from nexxus and copy paste the unpacked files in the extension folder

Why? And i assume you mean vortex, thats what the installer is called. It works very well for me.

Originally posted by Mijati_GER:

never ever let nexxus install mod files for u ......
espacaly not for x4 .....
just DL them from nexxus and copy paste the unpacked files in the extension folder

Is there an issue with how Nexus handles the files when installing?

Originally posted by SimonPlaysGames:

Originally posted by Mijati_GER:

never ever let nexxus install mod files for u ......
espacaly not for x4 .....
just DL them from nexxus and copy paste the unpacked files in the extension folder

Is there an issue with how Nexus handles the files when installing?

Not at all as far as I can tell. It's a three step process:

1. The app downloads the file from nexusmods as an archive. It now sits in a downloadfolder and is shown as not installed.

2. You click install, the file is now unpacked into a mod staging folder managed by the app, has nothing to do X4. The mod is now shown as disabled in the app. This is the stage where you apply changes to config files in the mod for example.

3. You click enable in the app, the files from the mod staging folder are symlinked to the actual X4 mod folder. If you have several versions of a file in the mod staging folder you can choose via dropdown menu which gets symlinked. If several mods want to write to the same folder in X4 modfolder(say you have submods containing config changes) the App asks you which gets precedence.

yes there is an issue. the nexxus modinstaller ALWAYS , and this goes back to skyrim times already. will copy the mods like u and me would do. into the extensions folder.
and ALSO a copy of them in his owen foilder ( or whereever u set it )and also will do a config file with a list of all changes files. ( purpose is to del all changed files )
so, when u install a mod it willg et installed 2x ....the list it creates will NEVER be cleaned.files stay in this list. and the list will grow up like hell.
it also dosent recognize if U changed a file to mod it or whatever. as long as the file name is in this list it will always get deleted.

and on the other hand.its an APP .... not just anymore an modinstaller. and has tons of other crapp coming with it . stuff that never appeared on the old modinstaller of nexxus.

and just as hint. some files for x4 are better running unpacked . files for example u always edit to try stuff out or to config something.

so therefore its always better to just copy paste mods into the extensionsfolder

Hmmm. The obvious compromise seems to be using unpacked files for the mod uploaded to nexus instead of packed ones. But that won't solve the app issue and I see how that could become a problem after some time. It all seem to come down to individual player preference - if someone wants to overlook those problems to get the mods from nexus app. From what I saw there is an option to download files directly instead of automatically through the app. I think I'll include both.

Originally posted by Mijati_GER:

yes there is an issue. the nexxus modinstaller ALWAYS , and this goes back to skyrim times already. will copy the mods like u and me would do. into the extensions folder.
and ALSO a copy of them in his owen foilder ( or whereever u set it )and also will do a config file with a list of all changes files. ( purpose is to del all changed files )
so, when u install a mod it willg et installed 2x ....the list it creates will NEVER be cleaned.files stay in this list. and the list will grow up like hell.
it also dosent recognize if U changed a file to mod it or whatever. as long as the file name is in this list it will always get deleted.

and on the other hand.its an APP .... not just anymore an modinstaller. and has tons of other crapp coming with it . stuff that never appeared on the old modinstaller of nexxus.

and just as hint. some files for x4 are better running unpacked . files for example u always edit to try stuff out or to config something.

so therefore its always better to just copy paste mods into the extensionsfolder

Thats ... false. Are we even talking about the same APP? Vortex? For one it never copies game files, they get symlinked. There isn't even an OPTION in the app to copy files on deployment.

Also what are you talking about with the config file i have no idea. It's again just wrong, thats just not how it works. I have a modified mod myself, UNLIKE steam vortex doesn't just go around overwriting stuff you changed. It never does that, even if you update the mod since the updated mod will have its own instance and folder.

Again, the process is:

1. The mod gets downloaded as an archive.
2. Its gets extraced into Vortex mod folder named mod-version.
3. Said mod-version folder gets symlinked to the games mod folder named just mod.

Each step in the process is manually controlled by the user since vortex doesnt do automatic updates. You have to click download, you have to click install and you have to click deploy.

Its also trivial to create a submod containing just the config files of the mod you want to change and setting that mods files to take precedence.

Originally posted by SimonPlaysGames:

Hmmm. The obvious compromise seems to be using unpacked files for the mod uploaded to nexus instead of packed ones. But that won't solve the app issue and I see how that could become a problem after some time. It all seem to come down to individual player preference - if someone wants to overlook those problems to get the mods from nexus app. From what I saw there is an option to download files directly instead of automatically through the app. I think I'll include both.

Just don't worry about it. I don't even know what the other guy was on about regarding a list that never gets cleaned. I use the Vortex app for anything from nexusmods as well as mods from github and its way, way better than doing it manually. I think Mijati was talking about some older mod management tool from nexusmods since he mentioned skyrim.

any chance that this mod is going to appear on Nexus in the near future, having the ships included in the base VRO is neat and all, but that makes it so that im missing the ships if i play without VRO wich is kind of a bummer.

Regards Himeno

Originally posted by Himeno:

any chance that this mod is going to appear on Nexus in the near future, having the ships included in the base VRO is neat and all, but that makes it so that im missing the ships if i play without VRO wich is kind of a bummer.

Regards Himeno

It will. I will upload the mod to nexus, but only after it is in a final, stable version. That would include the finalized and play-tested ships from Split, Argon and Paranid. That's not near future sadly, as there's still a decent amount of work to go through until that is complete.

Can we get the update on nexus too? I have lots... lots of mods that prevent me from turning the update on from extensions menu.

@SimonPlaysGames hey, do we have any updates on this? I can't enable steam update.