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Historical Leader Replacements [HP version]
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Scotvince  [developer] Apr 12, 2020 @ 3:06am
IN THE QUEUE/IN DEBATE - leaders replacements
IN THE QUEUE/IN DEBATE

Pertinent addition/replacement?
Grece = Ionanis Rallis. Georgis Kosmidis will not be replaced. Greece already has a fascist leader set up by Paradox. The real leader of the anti-semitic party. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Union_of_Greece

Iceland == Agnar Kofoed-Hansen: better candidate than Davíð Ólafsson, the actuel one?

Montenegro == I could replace Novica Radovic by Krsto Zrnov Popovic (more important figure of the period?)
https://is.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnar_Kofoed-Hansen

Ukraine == Pavlo Skoropadsky. Not a good choice of the period for a leader of a country which became independant in 1991.
He died 26 April 1945 (aged 71).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavlo_Skoropadskyi

Uruguay == Juan Campisteguy Oxcoby: died in september 1937...Should I implement him ?


Undetermined ideology (for the game)

Malta ==
- Democratic leader: Enrico Mizzi ? Why him and not the predessesor Paul Boffa?
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Boffa
- Non-aligned leader; Lodovico Chigi della rovere-albani. Original idea! I like that. He surely was not a fascist, this order has not acquaintance with fascism. No other better candidate for a non-aligned group than a member of a spiritual-political order ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludovico_Chigi_Albani_della_Rovere

Philippines ==
- Emilio Aguinaldo. Non-aligned ?
https://www.voltairenet.org/article141824.html
- Non-aligned: Gregorio Aglipay. Non aligned or communist? "Aglipay ran for elections as President of the Commonwealth along with the Partido Komunista ng Pilipinas Norberto Nabong in a joined Republican-Communist Party ticket in 1935".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregorio_Aglipay

Scotland ==
- democratic party: Why not Robert Douglas McIntyre who were the SNP's first ever-elected Member of Parliament.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_MacCormick
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_McIntyre

Slovakia == Rudolf Viest "Il était un partisan d'Edvard Beneš". He was a partisan of Edvard Benes, the democratic leader. What sources tell you that he is a right candidate of the non-aligned party ?
https://sk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Viest

Uruguay == Martín Casimiro Martínez Fagalde. Not fascist, just nationalist. Nothing indicates he was fascist. He was part of the constitutional assembly after world war one, took part of the election of 1942. Pretty democratic ! Maybe I could put NON-ALIGNED (centrism) or moderatism ? I think He should be classified in Democratic liberalism party (the economical ideology of his party), or conservatism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mart%C3%ADn_C._Mart%C3%ADnez
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Party_(Uruguay)

Wales ==
- Non aligned: Saunders Lewis. Really non-aligned ?
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saunders_Lewis
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plaid_Cymru


Undetermined country affiliation (for the game) + ideology

CSA ==
- Fascist: Gerald l k Smith: political activites for a separationist idelology, for example, CSA, or just for USA ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_L._K._Smith
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First_Party_(1943)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Share_Our_Wealth
- Communist party: Robert Berkeley "Bob" Minor. Same. Oparated for CSA or just USA? No mention of his separationist toughts here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Minor
- Non-aligned: Sidney Johnston Catts: same + ideology doubts: non aligned for what reason? And why CSA affiliation and not just USA?

Scotland == Hugh MacDiarmid. Is it pertinent to adding him as a communist of Scotland? He was a member of the nationalist party of Scotland, but as a communist member of a party, he was in the Great Britain communist party, not the scottish one. Moreover, this man never exerced a political function, he was just a member of a parties. Just as I am ;).
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_MacDiarmid

Wales ==
- Thomas Evan Nicholas. How can you establish his affiliation for Wales in the game, as he just was a member a the Great Britain communist party, and not of a Wale party?
Did he exerced poitilical functions or made activities for Wales instead of Great Britain?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Evan_Nicholas_(Niclas_y_Glais)
- Fascist: Jeffrey Hamm. Idem. Did he operate for Wales or for Great Britain political activities?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Hamm


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Scotvince  [developer] Nov 4, 2020 @ 1:04am 
Based on suggestions, I can bring some answer:
Uruguay == Fascism - Pedro Manini Ríos (Partido Colorado) > Nothing indicate he was a fascist. He was on the same party as Gabriel Terra (who is set as democratic into the game).
In contrary, he was more on the way of democracy:
"It is the main actor in the agreement with the whites facing the elections for the convocation of a National Constituent Assembly, to reform the Constitution of 1830, where it is possible to impose on the government the criterion of the universal (male) secret vote and proportional representation ( partial).

Some government spokesmen maintained that the secret ballot was a cowardice. Oh men of the directing influence that later led to the "legitimate influence"!

These elections took place on July 30, 1916 and it was the first time in independent Uruguay that citizens enjoyed these benefits.
And it was also the first time that the gubernatorial candidates were defeated in all departments, except Artigas."

Paraguay ==
- Rafael Franco is set by Paradox as the communist leader. Because he made a lot of social-communist politics. I can't set him as the democratic leader because there is already another one.
- the "Movimiento Nacional Revolucionario" has been created in 1942.

Peru ==
- if I set Manuel Prado Ugarteche as democratic or non-aligned, that you recommend, do you have a fascist leader to replace him ?
I MUST set the fascist party at the 1939 strat to respect the balance of the game, because Paradox set this party.
- Eudocio Ravines (Partido Comunista del Perú): he became liberal "After making two trips to the Soviet Union, he became disillusioned with communism and abjured that ideology. He compared this change with that of Paul of Tarsus struck by the ray of truth on the road to Damascus. Guided by Pedro G. Beltrán, he became a defender of liberal economics." (wikipedia)
It is better to put Julio Portocarrero as the communist leader.
- Manuel Arturo Odría Amoretti better fit than Zenón Noriega Agüero as the non_aligned leader.
- Luis Antonio Eguiguren fascist ? NO: h was part of the "Partido Socialdemócrata del Perú": ideas: Humanismo cristiano
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Antonio_Eguiguren
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partido_Social_Dem%C3%B3crata_(Per%C3%BA)

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Scotvince  [developer] Nov 5, 2020 @ 12:21am 
Costa Rica ==
- "Fascism - León Cortés Castro (Partido Republicano Nacional) #1939 leader, was anti-semite and had some sympathies for fascist regimes. There were nazi parties in Costa Rica but none of the leaders had photos"
> I can't change the ideology of an existing lruling leaders, or it would change the balance of the game. This submod is not a parties rework.
- Rafael Ángel Calderón Guardia: I can't affiliate him to a non-aligned party. He make a very socialist program:
"Pendant son mandat de président, Calderón se montre préoccupé de la « question sociale » et inaugure l’interventionnisme étatique. Il entreprend des réformes fondamentales : addition d’un chapitre constitutionnel sur les garanties sociales, création de la caisse costaricaine de Sécurité sociale, promulgation d’un code du travail. Ces mesures lui attirent la sympathie des secteurs progressistes, mais provoquent la colère des planteurs de café qui ont soutenu Calderón."

Nicaragua ==
- Marxism - Mario Flores Ortíz (Bloque de Trabajadores
Antifascistas) Are you sure the photo you sent me is not one of Antonio Ortiz Ramírez ?
- FASCISM == Fascism ? José Coronel Urtecho swang ideas to become an oponnent to Somoza later.

Honduras ==
- Rexism: maybe Abraham Williams Calderón (Partido Nacional de Honduras). Nothing indicates that he was fascist or authoritarist.

Guatemala == National-Socialism - Otto Langmann (Partido Nazi de Guatemala) ? He returned in Germany in 1931 and served in Uruguay since 1937.

Puerto rico ==
- Marxism - Juan Antonio Corretjer (Partido Comunista Puertoriqueño)
Why ? He was part of the Nationalist Party of Puerto Rico. I found any mention of marxism for him.
- Falangism - Pedro Albizu Campos (Partido Nacionalista de Puerto Rico). Why ? Nationalist/independantist is not fascist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_Albizu_Campos

Nicaragua == COMMUNISM: I can't set the party name to Nicaraguan Socialist Party because I was founded later in 1944.

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Scotvince  [developer] Nov 6, 2020 @ 1:43am 
Panama == Ricardo Adolfo de la Guardia NON-ALIGNED ? No, because "During his presidency, he became a great ally of the United States, mainly on the occasion of World War II, leasing 134 military bases throughout the country through the Fabrega-Wilson Agreement. Also, during his government, he declared war on the Axis Powers on December 7, 1941, becoming the first Latin American country formally at war with Nazi Germany and Japan."

Uruguay == Pedro Manini Ríos; Fascist ? NO.

Estonia == Andres Larka. Fascist ? Nothing indicates that.

Bosnia == Mehmed Spaho democratic ? NO > fascist
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmed_Spaho
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_radicale_yougoslave
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Scotvince  [developer] Nov 10, 2020 @ 2:07am 
Slovakia == Comminist Antonin Janousek. Why slovakia ? Did he make something for this country ?
https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton%C3%ADn_Janou%C5%A1ek

Albania == DEMOCRATIC Xhafer bej Ypi. Why democratic ?
"After King Zog had fled after Italian occupation, from April 9 to April 12 Ypi was Chairman and Plenipotentiary for Justice of the Provisional Administration Committee, and as such acting head of state. From April 12, he was the Minister of Justice in Shefqet Verlaci's government."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xhafer_bej_Ypi
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Lucifer Mar 17 @ 2:17pm 
Hellenic State Leaders
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