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EaWX: Thrawn's Revenge 3.4 (Updated April 2nd)
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Sanguine Aurora Nov 28, 2022 @ 7:31am
Balance Issues
Factions who start with free SSD's right off the bat, some more than one, are neigh unstoppable while playing as anyone else.
Ardus Kaine and Zsinj are an example. As well as the super late-game Empire.
As a player, you have to super-cheese it (Hyper velocity spam while kiting with corvette) or it's game over very quickly. Even then, a single takes somewhere up to 1.5 hours, waiting for hyper velocity to reload, it takes over 100 shots to kill an SSD with a HV cannon, making fighting some factions with SSD's auto campaign ender if you're playing as something that doesnt get it's own SSD.
Honestly, too many free hero ships is a bit deal-breaker in this mod. Some factions get SSD's while others barely get Star Destroyers (EoTH?). While EoTH is extremely powerful and can get away from battles with no losses with Reatreat option for most of it's ships, when an SSD shows up at their doorstep within the first 30 mins of the campaign, it's auto gg.
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Blazin Hazen Nov 28, 2022 @ 6:28pm 
You can defeat a SSD with a standard fleet as New Republic but not head-on.

If they are occupying a planet of yours you jump in with a scout ship to distract its fleet and when you get them where you want them, jump as many of your big ships (at least one Home One type MC80 plus all other cruisers and frigates, as many as you can) into the map directly behind the SSD and have all fighters/bomber attacking it as well, focusing on the engines first.
Stay behind it!
Concentrate all fire on that super star destroyer and you will win, sometimes taking only light casualties.
But you have to stay behind it
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:) Nov 28, 2022 @ 7:02pm 
just gonna say everyone except like late eras one planet warlord starts can kill a super star destroyer week one with just the initial forces as soon as the map start without need of building anything if you know what you are doing


but it takes knowing *what ship does x* and not just throw your stuff at the face of one, any similar population fleet against say an executor 200 will do fine.



in fact most factions like zsinj who start with a SSD dont have a lot of starting forces since a lot of that starting power is in one ship that can only be at one place at one time.
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BigBacon Nov 29, 2022 @ 6:59pm 
The Pentastar Alignment doesn't even start with Ardus Kaine right off the bat. He arrives during week 20-21 as part of the Pentastar Talks.
Zsinj's Empire is the only faction that starts with an SSD from week 1 in era 1.
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Sanguine Aurora Nov 30, 2022 @ 2:40am 
Originally posted by BigBacon:
The Pentastar Alignment doesn't even start with Ardus Kaine right off the bat. He arrives during week 20-21 as part of the Pentastar Talks.
Zsinj's Empire is the only faction that starts with an SSD from week 1 in era 1.


Yeah, but week 20 is still too early to get an SSD. I am barely holding off against Empire and New Republic, who for some reason, teamed up to destroy EoTH. Not fighting among each other and sending wave after wave against me. Maybe it's the classic:" Let's team-up and go after the player" type of AI mentality we find in Total War games as well.
Ardus Kaine showing up with an SSD while i'm trying to split my fleet and fend off multiple attacks on 3 fronts is a bit too much.
I'm playing on medium btw.
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IExecutor  [developer] Nov 30, 2022 @ 3:08am 
> Factions who start with free SSD's right off the bat, some more than one, are neigh unstoppable while playing as anyone else.

That's why we're removing SSDs from SSD heroes, 3 heroes will suffer - Isard, Kaine and Zsinj, and all 3 will need to be upgraded to get SSD
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Blazin Hazen Nov 30, 2022 @ 3:09am 
Originally posted by Nemesis1st:
> Factions who start with free SSD's right off the bat, some more than one, are neigh unstoppable while playing as anyone else.

That's why we're removing SSDs from SSD heroes, 3 heroes will suffer - Isard, Kaine and Zsinj, and all 3 will need to be upgraded to get SSD

Nooooooo!!!
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Sanguine Aurora Nov 30, 2022 @ 4:17am 
Originally posted by Nemesis1st:
> Factions who start with free SSD's right off the bat, some more than one, are neigh unstoppable while playing as anyone else.

That's why we're removing SSDs from SSD heroes, 3 heroes will suffer - Isard, Kaine and Zsinj, and all 3 will need to be upgraded to get SSD

Nice! Finally this is going to make some factions actually playable!

Also, why can't we play as Empire in From the ground up?
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guardianru Dec 1, 2022 @ 9:52am 
two questions
1. Eridau. They settle a big fleet near neutral system with supership. THAT fleet NEVER would attack them, BUT they settle there big portion of theirs forces. Possible things are the same for other like that neutral systems. AI logic failure?
2. Most of war - is to get a big group and go on invading planets WITHOUT logic of how you would defence them or any question about links. Eridau, Empire (center), Ardus kaine when Trawn came to eat him, Corporates DO ANYTHING else but not locking on theirs borders, to decrease number of lines from which they could be attacked and because they doen't interest in eating sistems of enemies IN their inner space - they everytime get eaten (btw - theirs main leaders die very fast because they doesn't defend theirs Core world and theirs main production systems with 3-4 shipyard levels,
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The Black Samurai Dec 13, 2022 @ 2:29pm 
Originally posted by Sanguine Aurora:
Originally posted by BigBacon:
The Pentastar Alignment doesn't even start with Ardus Kaine right off the bat. He arrives during week 20-21 as part of the Pentastar Talks.
Zsinj's Empire is the only faction that starts with an SSD from week 1 in era 1.


Yeah, but week 20 is still too early to get an SSD. I am barely holding off against Empire and New Republic, who for some reason, teamed up to destroy EoTH. Not fighting among each other and sending wave after wave against me. Maybe it's the classic:" Let's team-up and go after the player" type of AI mentality we find in Total War games as well.
Ardus Kaine showing up with an SSD while i'm trying to split my fleet and fend off multiple attacks on 3 fronts is a bit too much.
I'm playing on medium btw.


Do you pause your game each time you get enough cash and before you make big moves? Because the AI is rich, and makes decisions much faster than you. That combo will ♥♥♥♥ you if you don't pause your games. Once you do that the AI is easy as cake, even on admiral with cruel on.
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The Black Samurai Dec 13, 2022 @ 2:33pm 
Originally posted by Nemesis1st:
> Factions who start with free SSD's right off the bat, some more than one, are neigh unstoppable while playing as anyone else.

That's why we're removing SSDs from SSD heroes, 3 heroes will suffer - Isard, Kaine and Zsinj, and all 3 will need to be upgraded to get SSD

Anything you can do to keep the AI from wasting non battlecrusier+ heroes in the first 30 weeks?
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Darth Alpharius Dec 19, 2022 @ 8:38pm 
If you are playing as the NR just capture the Star Destroyers.
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minniefinnie Jan 3, 2023 @ 7:33am 
why is all but 2 of zinjs vehicles support vehicles?
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minniefinnie Jan 3, 2023 @ 7:35am 
my man has no good vehicles
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Lord Admiral Daniel Phillips Jan 3, 2023 @ 9:30am 
Zsinj's ground roster is infantry focused so his vehicles are about supporting his infantry units.
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:) Jan 3, 2023 @ 11:17pm 
Originally posted by minniefinnie:
why is all but 2 of zinjs vehicles support vehicles?
because infantry is borderline op stat by stat alone and zsinj has the best one so all of the other units are there for supporting them



its also super fun to play as
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