@Imlsna ty for your reply. I get what you mean now. I think i what meant was not speed but reach. But nonetheless i understand what you mean now, ty!

@Pandaman The slash, stab, and beak attacks all have the same speed. Only the shaft bash has a faster speed, and the reason it has a faster speed is that it's significantly weaker than the other attacks. The other attacks will outperform the shaft bash generally, but you might use the shaft bash when you judge that a weaker attack will still accomplish what you want in order to save a little time and allow for your next attack to happen sooner.

@ImIsna hi thank you for reply author. Hmm just to be sure why does one use anything but the stab/slash attacks because its so fast compared to the beak attack/shaft attacks?

sorry new to the game overall

@Pandaman The beak attack is the halberd's most effective attack for armor penetration because its momentum is superior to that of the shaft bash and its momentum:contact area ratio is slightly better than that of the stab. The main purpose of the shaft bash on the halberd is to trade off power for speed, since it's slightly faster than the halberd's other attacks. Whereas the advantage of the stab compared to the beak attack is higher maximum penetration depth (so it's better at reaching the organs of giant creatures).

Hi for the halbard can I ask when I would want to be using the beak attack? I feel like i never need to use it because i would be using the shaft bash for blunt, slash for edge, and tip for pierce.

thank you very much for the anwer author. Great mod, looking forward to more mods that makes adventure mode even more fun!

@Pandaman The weapons which require multigrasp make up for the lack of shield by having more powerful attacks. This is mostly achieved through higher velocity multipliers that lead to significantly higher attack momentum, especially when they are used with high strength and skill. They also tend to have greater reach than single-grasp weapons, which can give them the advantage of making the first attack in combat.

hi thank you for this mod. it made weapon play so much more fun in adventure mode. quick question tho. How does multi grasp benefit compared to one handed now like you mentioned

@Loup Blanc Yes.

Is it compatible with Forthammer?

Thanks for the response. Yeah that can make things very challenging to diagnose then. I went Vanilla and made four full squads, each with their own barracks and it worked smoothly enough. But, just because it worked this time does not mean it won't the next. Until the known Vanilla jank gets ironed out I imagine my nodded fort just got very unlucky.

@HeroinHobgoblin This mod shouldn’t affect uniform logic. There is currently a minefield of known vanilla bugs regarding ranged uniforms, ammunition, archery targets, and hunting which could be causing your problem. I always avoid using hunters because they have a “civilian uniform” that will permanently claim items and cause extra jank when you try to make ranged squads. There’s workaround information scattered around the wiki on the “squad,” “archery target,” and “ambusher” pages that might be helpful. Otherwise Kitfox has listed “ranged weapon/squad fixes” as something that is planned in the next few DF updates.

Got an odd one, my dwarves are not equipping quivers for their crossbows, no hunting, not training at the range.

Mod order:

VWO
FFF
VWO for FFF
Armed Dwarves

Am I missing something?

You're greatness incarnate. I will engrave a stab in your memory !

The patch has finally made it through the automated content check, and I also finished up another mod while I was waiting for that to happen: an overhaul of body materials that makes all creatures (that use standard materials) significantly less fragile.

Damn, that's really annoying

Yeah, still run into the same problem doing that. Will just have to wait for Steam Support, I sent a ticket a few hours ago.

@Nactarune Yeah, it's definitely bugged, it's still being held by the "automated content checker" and that never takes more than a minute usually. I've tried reuploading already and that didn't work, but I could try reuploading with a different ID perhaps.

it's still hidden, guess it's a bug maybe try to re-upload it ?

Or at least it will be whenever Steam unhides it.

The largely untested first draft of the Ava's Armory patch is now available, and I've made a collection to contain this mod, the patch, and any potential future patches.

Nice update

TY for the longsword thing that was so confusing bro

Oh that's wonderful to hear, will really appreciate it if you do it.

@Nactarune I've been thinking about making a submod for Ava's Armory that adjusts the weapons to fit in with this mod. It would work as a patch that you'd load below the original mod.

Do you plan on adding more weapons to the game using the same logic of this mod stuff like what Ava's Armory adds ?

Keep it up man! Your mod is musthave in all my playthroughs.TY for updates and dedication

@Nactarune It does.

Does the mod include the fix for the dwarfs not equipping two-handed weapons or would I need to get another mod that fixes that alongside this one ?

@SilverBullet I made my edits in the momentum formula spreadsheet first to ensure my numbers made sense, then plugged those numbers into the mod and tested using arena mode. I've setup and recorded the results of hundreds of controlled 1v1 duels over the course of this mod's development. I did them in sets of 20 per experiment and ran as many as possible at the same time while still ensuring that they're all isolated from each other. It is indeed very cumbersome, but the spreadsheet allowed me to get a lot of value out the data gathered.

How do you balance weapons and armor? Are you modding in Arena mode by fighting multiple times? I'm modding too, but it's too cumbersome for me to do it this way

@Pamparampampamparam The ability to wield or single-grasp weapons is entirely dependent on size rather than strength in Dwarf Fortress, though strength can affect size for creatures that have muscle due to the [THICKENS_ON_STRENGTH] property muscle has. But anyway, I set the single-grasp requirement of the large weapons well beyond what any of the standard races can achieve for the sake of this mod since the intent is that two-handed weapons are more powerful than single-handed weapons at the expense of requiring two hands. It's worth noting that it's possible to get characters to single-grasp weapons they don't meet the requirements to single-grasp under some conditions, but there seems to be a penalty for doing so.

Can a sufficiently strong dwarf one-hand a great axe? How strong would they have to be?

hey thx for your efforts, I really like this mod now it's time to try at adventure mode

can you install this mod mid save or does it require a new world gen / new start

@Obsidious Nice, and thank you for the positivity! Part of what inspired me to make this mod was my personal interest in Medieval weaponry. I'll have to revisit this game at some point to see how the mod plays out in adventure mode also and see if it gives me any more ideas.

And feel free to make whatever mod you'd want, I think it's great when mods build off of each other. New weapons have always been outside this particular mod's scope, it being a "vanilla weapon" overhaul and all that, but there's definitely space for more variety.

Very interesting. I am a big ol historical arms & armour geek so I am very excited to try this out in Adventure Mode, as well as seeing how it messes with things fort-wise.

Your restraint in not renaming the longsword is noted, and I very much appreciate the attention given to the warhammer and the... pickadze? I like that. Goes some way towards explaining how it's so good at digging through soil too. I really like that swords are the all-rounder here, with some specialised uses too. Now to see how all that translates to gameplay!

P.S. I'm tempted to try my hand at adding a few weapons under this framework, if that's not too rude. Expanding on the swiss-army-knife of the halberd with the bec de corbin (or perhaps Kes Erthok, from the Human tongue) to hone in on the combat difference between a spiky thrust, a swinging beak, and a low-contact hammer sounds fun (and it feels like there could be space for a kukri-to-falcata niche...).

Here is topic that I read.
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=181285

have a good day. I'm always grateful for your good mod.

I've once thought about making a weapon(ammo) balance mod, only to figure out there's no mod goes beyond this one.
The idea was to avoid momentum restrictions so that heavier ammo hit more powerfully.
It was kind of fun to see a gold ammo 'punch' a soldier in steel armor and turns into xXammoXx.

Can you add shields as weapon so dwarfs can duel wield shield ?

Thank you! ^^
I'll give that a try.

@AlmaShade I'd probably give the ammo 5 size and 2 contact area, and then give the weapon 1700 or so shoot force and 1200 max velocity. It would be shooting very low mass but very penetrative projectiles at high speed, which feels appropriate for a firearm. I'd adjust the shoot force & max velocity first if that ends up feeling too strong or too weak. For melee attacks I would make the bash the same as the other ranged weapon bashes and if they have a bayonet attack I would make it like a spear but with only 1000 penetration and 900 velocity to ensure it isn't a better melee weapon than dedicated melee weapons but still feels like a pointy object.

If I were to pair this mod with another that added muzzle-loaded firearms to the game, what stats would you recommend giving the firearms to keep them in line with the other weapons?

oh this is a wonderful mod!

Is the axe more effective against armor than the sword?

Thanks, lmlsna!

Training weapons should be fixed now.

I can confirm it does remove training weapons, i do not know why exactly but I recommend just cutting and redefining the training weapons as you have done the other weapons. Doing that makes the weapons reappear in the game.

Does this mod remove training weapons? In a world with this mod installed I don't have the option in the Carpenter's workshop (or in the work orders menu, for that matter) to craft training weapons. However, when I create a world without this mod the option to craft training weapons is present.

@Pneuma The penalty for single-grasping a weapon you don't meet the size requirements to single-grasp is a loss in accuracy.