Seems to have a slight bug with Cinders of the Embergarden? The 1-year-old toddler's body proportions are off.

What would happen if i removed this in a save, what would happened to the toddlers?

sweet! thank you for quick response, keep up the good work <3

@BeaThePANcake
I have not tested, but I would expect that they do not interact. Toddlers only affects babies (0-2), and it looks like Growth Moments Make Sense only affects children (3+).

how does this work with "growth moment makes sense" mod?

@cyanobot You could at least remove the obj directory in Source/Toddlers before uploading. Not that I personally care that much, but now it contains also the publicized binaries, so it is relatively large.

@Max
Yes, that is what I am saying I will not be doing because it is too much extra hassle.

I think Hoa means on upload. E.g. copying the folder, removing src & .git, and uploading that copy. Or excluding those folders in your upload scripts (if you use any).

@Họa Vũ
You can if you like. I will not be because it is much more convenient for me to have everything in the same folder.

Can you delete Source and .git?

@cyanobot sounds good

@❤Luna❤
Thank you for the detailed info, may be related to the issues others are having with certain other HAR races. I'm hoping to get to this issue pretty soon and all the info helps.

@llunak
Thanks, I've been away from my computer but I'll take a look when I next settle in to code.

update: since HAR is optional for Cinders of the Embergarden, the cinder xenotype works like normal and has the correct body upon reaching 1 year old as soon as HAR is removed.

I've run into an issue with species that use humanoid alien races to have a mini version of the standard body type as soon as they become a toddler, they have the correct baby body before that point. Use of age and body editors fails to fix the issue and the body continues to change to a mini version of the adult body no matter what i do. it does go back to the correct child body after hitting 3 years old. I'm currently using the cinder species from the Cinders of the Embergarden and no other alien species, they are the only xenotype where this issue occurs.

@cyanobot You have a github PR in case you do not watch those.

Now that toddlers are wandering giggle mood buffs, maybe they won't spend the first 3 years of their life in a growth vat. lol

@Zairya
I haven't really thought about how to handle prisoners/slaves yet. I think maybe only let toddlers feed autonomously from adults of the same faction and social class, and need the intervention of another adult (or maybe even player intervention) to cross those boundaries?

As I said, needs some thought. I'll try not to make it too creepy haha.

@1340815253
I can double check that the Toddlers code is working as intended, when I get the time.

But Toddlers gets the body textures from the ones defined by the race for babies, or failing that from the children, and some races don't have separate textures for babies or children, or are just kinda weirdly configured.

I advise testing whether infants (ie babies without Toddlers mod, or 0yo babies with Toddlers) have the correct graphic. It's usually hidden under the swaddling graphic when they're alive but visible when they're dead.

If the infants have the correct graphic, the problem is with the Toddlers code, and I'll need to fix it. (Let me know.) If the infants also have an incorrect graphic, you'll need to report it to the author of the race mod in question.

"What I'd be considering adding is having older toddlers be able to effectively climb onto the lactating pawn to breastfeed rather than needing a second adult's help. Which I think should be doable."

Would this include prisoners or slaves? I rarely have prisoners but it would be... kind of funny. I'm just getting chills about this because having my mouselings "falling off" their cribs was horrible. You fixed this already, no worries.

Some alien races have incorrect body shape textures for one year old children. Is there any way to replace it? Or we need to wait for you to fix it.for example milira race,wolfein race

@Zairya
Theoretically, if you have a bath or washtub, they can bathe the babies which adds both Hygiene and Play. I'm gonna check if that's still working, if it's stopped happening.

Babies can be carried to downed or unconscious moms and breastfeed from them - this is vanilla Biotech behaviour (I believe?). Having an adult take them to the lactating pawn will still be necessary for infants whatever I add. Probably for younger toddlers as well.

What I'd be considering adding is having older toddlers be able to effectively climb onto the lactating pawn to breastfeed rather than needing a second adult's help. Which I think should be doable.

(All feature additions are on hold until I finish the 1.6 updates, but I'm _nearly_ there now.)

Wait, you could really bath them? I only ever had them washed o.O

And techincally, a baby knows how to "hit" a breast to make milk flow. the problem here is, that babies who, still need milk, can't move on their own. I doubt, you can solve this realistically.

@Vel
That is both pretty weird and pretty technical but I see what you mean. I'll have a think about how I'd implement it.

I don't think I set bathing to require low Play. I'll double check that it's still working in 1.6 - thanks for bringing it to my attention.

This is gonna sound very weird and a bit technical

But could a toddler, hypothetically, interact with a comatose pawn to breastfeed "by themselves" ? The question came up after my yttakin colony had to manually haul babies to the mother.

It certainly would be a feature I wouldn't mind seeing, as it would free up a bit of hauling toddlers around

And speaking of toddlers, perhaps it's just a perspective bias, but I haven't really seen babies/toddlers being bathed lately, only washed.

Is it because of needing BOTH hygiene low and recreation low ? I find it adorable anytime it happens.

The whitelist for vacsuit and it's helmet aren't tagged for Odyssey, it gives a (harmless?) red error when the DLC isn't loaded.

You're the best dude!

@oh no
I wasn't able to replicate your issue with just Toddlers. (Adults would keep playing with sleeping babies, but they wouldn't get stuck.)

I've added a check to force them to stop playing if the baby falls asleep, which hopefully will also eliminate your issue, but let me know.

Next time I'm playing I'll check the log to see if anything seems out of the ordinary. Thanks for always being so quick to fix things!

@oh no
Dang. I did not think I touched anything that would interact with that, but I'll take a look, thanks for reporting.

I've had an issue since today's update where adult pawns will get stuck playing with a sleeping Toddler. They just stand in place and I only notice it happening when they begin starving.

I think I've fixed the animation issue.

@cyanobot
If you open the options menu there's a button to take you to the log file folder, where you'll find a file called Player.log. You can copy the contents of that into a site like Pastebin in order to get a link you can give to me (or another modder, for future reference).

I have managed to replicate your animation issue so I should be able to tackle it with or without log.

It doesn't throw an exception for me though, it just doesn't work. So the error you're getting at the toybox might be unrelated to the animation issue, and I won't be able to solve that error unless I can replicate that one too.

Thanks for reporting, as always.

@cyanobot I'm sorry, I don't know how to obtain the complete log. But I may have found the trigger for the problem, not playing with toys. It is normal before entering the crib, and when the baby rests at 100% or more, it will twist. After twisting, there will be no animation when getting off the crib. I've tried several times and it's like this. Maybe you can try to replicate it

@Vel @1340815253
Pushed a fix for the loneliness issues. If you're not seeing a change, try forcing Steam to redownload the mod to make sure you have the latest files. If you definitely have the latest files and it's still not fixed for you, let me know.

@1340815253
I'm not able to replicate your issue. If it's repeatable for you, can you give me more detail on exactly when it happens? Is it only under certain circumstances? Does the error occur when the toddler sets out to play with the toys, or while they're at the toybox playing?

Could you turn on job logging for the toddler using the debug tools before the error happens, and share the full log covering the error?

Amazing mod, another one in the list of must-haves in a rim playthrough.

Just one slight problem, the children are getting lonely, despite having more than enough adult interactions/play.

The adults also don't seem to play with children to remedy that, perhaps due to full "Play" bar.

Exception in JobDriver fixed tick for pawn 黄英资 driver=JobDriver_ToddlerPlayToys (toilIndex=1) driver.job=(ToddlerPlayToys (Job_4460567) A = Thing_ToyBox1002654 Giver = JobGiver_ToddlerPlay [workGiverDef: null])
System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
[Ref 51619D31] Duplicate stacktrace, see ref for original
UnityEngine.StackTraceUtility:ExtractStackTrace ()
(wrapper dynamic-method) MonoMod.Utils.DynamicMethodDefinition:Verse.Log.Error_Patch1 (string)
(wrapper dynamic-method) MonoMod.Utils.DynamicMethodDefinition:Verse.AI.JobUtility.TryStartErrorRecoverJob_Patch1 (Verse.Pawn,string,System.Exception,Verse.AI.JobDriver)
Verse.AI.JobDriver:DriverTick ()
Verse.AI.Pawn_JobTracker:JobTrackerTick ()
(wrapper dynamic-method) MonoMod.Utils.DynamicMethodDefinition:Verse.Pawn.Tick_Patch1 (Verse.Pawn)
Verse.Thing:DoTick ()
Verse.TickList:Tick ()
(wrapper dynamic-method) MonoMod.Utils.DynamicMethodDefinition:Verse.TickManager.DoSingleTick_Patch2

I added Yayo's Animation (Continued) mod. There is a probability that children aged 1-2 will no longer have animations, and they are not aliens. Restarting the game or loading save files seems normal. I'm not sure if it's because of playing with toys.

Yeah I wasn't sure how the insulation side would go with that. But it might also be that we should just rely on the clothing they're wearing for that and the vac crib for the vacuum, with it being that we still need to rush the babies out of there anyway just the vac crib prevents instant death. The bubble would be both really funny but also pretty cute. A bubble baby just rolling around a ship getting into trouble.

@Tolvo
Yeah, the vac crib would more be aimed at protecting infants and young toddlers in the event of emergency. And yes, insulation also sounds important (although depending on how hard that is to implement, that function might have to be dependent on Soft Warm Beds.) A bubble sounds really funny, like a vacuum-safe hamster ball for your kids.

Ah thank you for letting the babies wear the kid vacsuits! Maybe another option would be like a bubble of some kind taking up a utility slot. Though I don't know if there actually are ways to set a utility to be life stage specific. The crib also sounds interesting but couldn't that cause issues with toddlers who can get out of the crib as well as when feeding or playing with the baby? I think when people are holding the babies the vacuum doesn't effect them(Though temperature still does). Though the vac crib might still be really useful during an emergency like if a hole opens up and suddenly the nursery is a vacuum to protect babies in cribs. Would it also insulate the baby then since the temperature would still be extreme?

Thank you for the update!

@Tolvo
For now I've gone ahead and added the vacsuit helmet and kid vacsuit to the list of things wearable by babies.

Once I'm done updating things to 1.6 I might come back and add separate baby versions for those who enjoy the added challenge and/or realism of having to make separate clothes for babies.

I'm also interested in the idea someone suggested below of a vacuum-sealed crib but that will take more implementation.

I was wondering if there is any plan to add a baby vacsuit for Odyssey so toddler's can run around spaceships? Or is it more so that we should just keep toddler's pretty much in one room and not let them out and about till age 3 in space?

@chocoavena
Is your baby a non-standard species, or using a non-standard body type?
If not, try unsubscribing and resubscribing (might need to do it a few times until you see Steam actually re-downloading the mod files) to make sure you have all the files.

for some reason, baby onsies when worn is a giant red box with an X on it

@1340815253
There is supposed to be a job driver that makes them go play with lonely babies regardless of their Play level, but the logic or the numbers might not be quite right -- I'll look into it. Thanks for reporting.

It is possible that young children have a high level of entertainment, so no one goes to play with them. indeterminacy

The priority for character care is set to the highest level, with infant experiencing 100% loneliness and characters still wandering around, occasionally playing with them.I'm not sure if it's normal.