old world?

Great mod.

It'd be cool if you could select which faction's starting settlements are affected so you can bias some factions you want to see succeed have a natural advantage over others.

GRACIAS SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

@greyknight88 @quasit17 @glospey

The MCT problem is fixed --- now the mod functions properly with MCT enabled, and I tested the options work.

It was a trivial typo in a previous update, where a non-existent option was left in the script...

@glospey It does work without MCT, but then the settings are default and I don't want that...

Have you tried without MCT?

(Yes, I know it says it's required but other mods my play groups use require it but it was causing crashes so we turned it off and they ran anyway. We stopped using this mod a while ago so I can't say if this mod is stable or not.)

I've been trying to start a new campaign as Kairos and worked out that this mod is causing a crash on campaign start. It crashes after choosing base game settings and pressing start game during the loading screen. I removed all mods except this one and the required "Mod Configuration Tool" mod, which doesn't cause a crash alone, I tested that. The mod settings don't appear to matter as I turned everything off and it still crashed. Both mods are using the latest release, to the month anyway.

it crash when used whit mixu's and MCT. Any Help? a fix submod?

this mod does not raise the minor settlement cap, unless you have another mod allow minor settlements to go past tier 3, minor settlements remain capped at tier 3

Could you make an option for minor settlement wont exceed tier3 ?

Can this be edited somehow to only apply to the player?

@Hail-Seaser

Many mods set their city level, which may override the starting level in this mod.

Simply raze it & re-occupy => they will be at level 5, or whatever occupying level you set in MCT.

I'm having trouble making this mod work for me, doesn't seem to matter who I start as the capital is always tier 2. AI capitals start higher sometimes but is inconsistent. I'm using radious part 1-4 with the radious community bug-fix patch, as well as their tier 4 minor settlements mod. Are these compatible? I've messed around with the settings with the mod configuration tool and had no luck. Thanks for your work on this mod

@Adolf Escobar

I don't have such issue with the mod.

One possibility: some settlement is specifically designed to be 4/6 slots for some race, while being 10 slots for other race. I think that is the most likely cause.

Maybe try occupy other capitals & see how it goes.

Hello everyone, I have a huge problem. As soon as I capture a provincial capital, it turns into a settlement. So instead of 10 building slots, there are only four. I have this mod, the MCT, and Radious 1-4. Can anyone help me with this, pls?

@Jolc3r

I did click the ruin & no crash happens.

Nevertheless I add your lines accordingly & tested everything is still working.
Hopefully that solves this issue for those who encounter it!
Thanks much for testing & solution!

I think this can be fixed by replacing line 34 with this:

if not region:is_abandoned() then
cm:callback(function() TLA_upgrade_region(region, capital_level_2,capital_main) end, 0.1)
end

That fixed it on my end.

I also just tried to disable the cheat mods and load the quicksave (just mct and this mod), still occurs.

Tried to disable enforcing tier on occupation and starting a new game and no crash occurs. Curiously, loading the first quicksave and turning off the option in the same turn as the raze and click will still crash. Seems to be an issue with mct not applying the option on the same turn (or the listener not disabling? not sure).

I just tested this without any mods (only console commands, lua, and mct). Using Orion, razing Skavenblight and clicking on the settlement is 100% repro. Used commands "am" to restore movement and walked him all the way to skavenblight with a bunch of bladesingers (au wh2_dlc16_wef_inf_bladesingers_0 10) in the army to raze with autoresolve.

Maybe it only happens with certain factions, but it does happen.

Thats not the issue, the issue is that clicking on the razed structure (the ruins) causes the crash. Resettling has nothing to do with it.

no such issue on my end, likely issues from other mods.

Simple test: start as Kislev, raze it, and resettle it on turn 2. It is back to lv 5 and no crash at all.

Think I might know what the issue is? The script uses a listener for CharacterPerformsSettlementOccupationDecision, which simply looks at when someone gets a decision to occupy, loot, or raze. Seems like the underlying upgrade region function should also check whether the region was razed or not. That might be what is causing the issue, but I am not 100% sure as I have not tested it.

Specifically, it seems to happen when enforcing the tiers on occupying settlements. I reloaded a save right before Orion razed Carcassonne. When the option is turned on, I would crash on clicking the ruin. With it off, it would not crash.

Seconding Augustus issue, somehow razing settlemens will cause a crash when clicking on the ruins.

Crashing when clicking a ruin settlement or if you raze one settlement in your province, when you click your own city, it crashes

Thank you for your amazing work! I'm having much fun enjoying your mod. With all due my respect, I guess this mod causes some kind of bugs when you click on the settlement - 'Varenka Hills'. I turned all mods off except for this one and tried again, but the same problem happened. Can you check this out please? Thank you!

@The Burger King Sex Dungeon

I know this bug from another mod but cannot remember which one..
anyway I played Malakai a few days ago & it was working fine.

Not sure if it's this mod, or what, I've tested every single other settlement mod I have. But when I play Malakai, and he takes over a settlement, it just shows a generic Wood Elf settlement outpost and I cant upgrade the settlement, only abandon it

@Jock @Azurewrath

What other mods you have. I am playing IEE & it shows 335 factions. And I manage to end turn 1 no problem. It is possible there are some weird interactions among mods' script...but I haven't encounter any with this mod.

While I am continue playing testing, you can always disable the mod anytime without affecting saves.

i am getting the same thing took me best part of a hour to figure it out it crashes exactly on 147 each time

@Azurewrath

You sure this is the one? It is a script mod & should never caused such freeze.

This causes my game to crash. It is very odd. It shows that there are 395 factions when I end my turn...weird. Then when it gets to 147 it freezes and crashes.

thanks to @evilflamie, I updated the mod so MCT setting can be changed mid-campaign.

Apparently it does not affect co-op, as only host MCT setting matters.

@soulmindproductions

yes it works fine on my end. If you want tier 3, just set 3/3 before campaign starts & everything is good (except those set by other mods, but that is only on campaign start anyway)

Personally I like 5/4 or 5/5, cannot bear with the same slow early game after starting game the 1000th time, and also helped me testing late-game balance.

Just my 10 cents. It's your mod, but where I see this mod (from the perspective of a veteran mod player) as invaluable is to speed up those boring, repetitive campaign starts quite a bit. It's typically the campaign phase every players knows the best, the rounds players have played the most, again and again...

And a more logical, more appealing name for this mod, instead of "Tier 5 capitals" would be smth like "Enforce Minimum Building Tier Levels for Settlements (MCT enabled)" <3 Anyway, I'll try to find out whether the bug is fixed. I see what you're ssaying about Sigmar's Heirs or Marienburg overwriting stuff, but when tier 1-3 settlements become tier 5, whether occupied on turn 2 by AI factions or on turn 4 by me, with settings to enforce a min level 3, something's off, no?....

With the default setting set to tier 5, any balance between factions/races in the game can go out of the window very fast, usually that's sped up the more mods are being used (tweaks in mods are usually more and better, not focusing on less is more).... And starting tier 5 there is nothing more to progress to. I thought that this setting was mostly there for modders who want to test things....

Hey @BAGHolder, thanks for the update. This all sounds cool, but what about the bug that constantly gives me MAX (tier 4 or 5, depending on my mod setup) minor settlements in my campaigns from turn 1 onwards? Also, I'd consider tier 3 by far the better default value. I really have no idea why you favor tier 5 instead?

With the default setting set to tier 3 and re-enforce this level = yes as default settings, this is a mod that every mod player should give a try at some point and it could become a staple in their mod list if it functions reliably... A fun way to speed up the campaign start and absolutely fine usually from a balance POV.

updated the mod to include several requests. Now this is probably the most exhaustive such mod on workshop xD.

1. Separated starting level & occupation level to two different settings, default 5 and 4.
2. Add another toggle for this mod to only work for province capital (but who wants that?!)

Also, the MCT setting needs to be changed before campaign start, this is on-purpose to ensure fairness & co-op compatibility (honestly I never tested co-op, but I guess there could be problem when one player changes the setting mid-campaign).

@soulmindproductions

Some mods like sigma heir and marienburg set their capital level in mod, so the starting level in this mod is being override for a few cities.

Then I have to remember to turn the mod off via MCT (in campaign, I deselect "if this mod is activated". If I don't stop the mod, then on the next turn there will be the first tier 5 minor settlements owned by factions (if they captured a minor).... which really messes with balance quite a bit and is pretty much the opposite of my given settings :)

BTW: I strongly belive that the default value (and name of the mod) should be Tier 3, not Tier 5 <3

My setup includes: Mixer, Tier 4 or Tier 5 For All, Man The Ramparts & Resourceful Purpose (all by RagnaroK), Mixu's LL, Strat's LC, Xou's Sigmar's Heirs, Marienburg and popular custom faction mods. All mods seem to work perfectly together. No script breaks or end-of-turn crashes.

I had the same when I used Building Slots Extended instead (1 main, 3 submods).... Let me know if you need more information. Thx <3

Hi @BAGHolder,
I love this mod - my usecase #1 is that I love to give every faction tier 3 settlements at game start. But, even after the update you pushed, the tier 3 conversion doesn't work correctly for me.

Minor settlements regularly get upgraded to level 5 (I would like to turn off tier 5 entirely in the options if I could instead). The only way I can use the mod correctly is to set it up in the main menu before launching the campaign (active = yes, settlement level = 3, enforcement ier? yes) and then be happy that at least most province capitals seem to be level 3.
Modded factions like Marienburg usually get a level lower, usually level 2.

Hi, can you please make it so that only capitals are affected and not minor settlements as well?

This conflicst with the champions of undeath

@FilipGeorg95

It works for all settlements from any mod.

However, some mods may set certain settlements at lower level in their scripts. Raze and re-occupy will set them to max level.

any chance to include OVN races as well ?

Will do!

@Nikasoos

Well sounds like a conflict with some building / start-pos mods. By default, this mod just took the current settlement level, and upgrade it to max level, that is all.

So sounds like there is some other mod that changed the main settlement chain upon occupying.

I haven't played the game for a while, but last I played with expanded IE, tier 4 settlement, Mixu, more slots, everything works fine.

If you want to debug, disable all other mods, try occupy a city & see if this works as intended.

I'm finding other instances of this as well. I'm playing with a start pos randomizer and Averhim has taken the Gates of Zharr. If I hover over the main settlement chain, it just says "Factory" and it has a total of 4 build slots(including the settlement building).

But if I go over to Cathay where Stirland is, it's just a regular minor settlement placed at Tier 4 with a total of 5 build slots.

There seems to be an issue with the mod that converts minor settlements and treats it like your capital?

I'm not sure how to fully describe, so, as an example: I've taken Fort Oberstyre and realised that the settlement only had 4 building slots(I have Tier 4 minor settlement mod enabled.) When I hover over the main settlement chain, it doesn't give me a description but it just says "Outpost." When I look at the upgrade, it shows that it's Altdorf(im playing as Franz.)

Furthermore, whenever a rebellion rises up in the settlement and the rebels take over, it breaks the entire province and causes a CTD whenever I click on the settlement. I'm happy to provide screenshots just not sure where to send it.

Unsure if this is a mod conflict or something with this mod, but it's very interesting.