Supposedly keen is solving this, https://support.keenswh.com/spaceengineers/pc/topic/blast-bombing . Whether or not they actually fixed it I don't know I havent played Space Engineers in over 2 years but I got the update about the thread emailed and it surprised me.

Or maybe exceptions for every block spawned as sub-grid and let modders disable the standalone versions of the sub-grid blocks, to only make them accessible by grinding a connected one?

@Meridius_IX / Lucas If you're still looking for thoughts, here's mine:
Wouldn't it be easier and give less incentive to exploiters to stop and force the unbuilt blocks to static (including small ship blocks), if they are moving without power? Or simply once they've been placed as single blocked grids in the world, force them to static. For building, this should be fine, maybe you can make an exception for wheels, rotor head and piston heads? Maybe just the blocks that you can't place on their own. Most building takes place on static, unmoving grids anyway, and after the grid has been built more, it can be turned into a ship.

does this mod still work?

really? players does this? wonder why I don't play multiplayer.

AWESOME.
one time i kept rebeling against a greifer on a MP server and he ended up using that exploit to destroy my most advanced mars base and i sadly ended up rage quiting that server (KEEN NA#4 was the server) and now at least in my worlds that wont be able to happen!

Давай, мы не против.

Может плагин вам дать? На это дело? Лорик? Дориманкс?

Another method that might work, instead of trying a reactive approach and negating damage of suspect grids, why not have the mod make unbuilt blocks use either their proportional mass based on their completion state or a set percentage of their completed mass? So for instance the heavy armor block with one steel plate weighs the same as one steel plate, or weighs 1% of its block mass. The proactive approach would make this a much more robust mod and would require a lot more work to get working properly, but it would probably be more consistent. Plus, it would be more realistic too. XD

Hmm YES it's can be great idea, check if suspected unbuild grid block count is less than 3 blocks
and it's moving with speed above 10m/s (probably thrown by buthead) then delete the block!
And problem solved :)
no one will cry for lost block worth 1 steel plate.

The damage handling in this was always a bit iffy. One thing I noticed during building it was that a single impact would trigger hundreds of damage events. I suspect its somehow overloading what the mod is capable of monitoring.

So I may need to take a non damage handling approach to the issue. Perhaps the best thing to do here would be deleting suspect grids if they exceed a certain speed limit? Let me know your thoughts.

Hi, Idea is great, but it's fails to work many times, i have enabled logs to see all the steps, and it's sees the correct unbuild block, when i threw it from high altitude, then it's tried to negate the damage, and work once maybe twice, then fail to detect new blocks.

If you can inspect and see what can be done, will be great, this MOD is really needed to stop all the $#$@#$ people that break the game for others, by throwing reactors and other heavy blocks on other peoples bases.

The script does not work. Players throw a skeleton block . And the ship in the trash. Can you solve this problem?

@Meridius_IX / Lucas, can I take some credit for helping bring this issue to the public?

nice idea - but even in an simply singlplayer world (5 grids and fewer than 500 blocks total) it works not all times (still damage on grids can happen) and so not so usefull ......

Look for “relative top speed”, this mod exists already. ;)

I don't know if you take mod requests, but if you do, think you could maybe make a mod for acceleration based max ship speeds?

cool story bro

i can still break this mod but first borderlands 3 has come to my attention so im gonna play that for awhile

you sir are a Hero

Here's a thought: Maybe in addition to the damage nerfing, I also add a watcher that give the suspect grids a maximum speed of like 5m/s. If there are edge cases where unbuilt blocks can still cause damage, I don't know I can do anything more from a standpoint of manipulating damage result (the damage logger I used to debug shows hundreds of events per collision, it's a messy thing dealing with that).

breaking this mod would be easy

This doesn't work very well, at least when multiple single-block grids are flying at max speed towards something.
I've had a refinery hit a base and do no damage, but when several jump drives were tossed, some of them tore holes through it.

This was also in a locally-hosted world, with the blocks tossed by another player.

@AutoMcDonough - updating the grid mass should not be an expensive computation at all if implemented correctly. I think it has more to do with keen having a possible case of spaghetti code in their engine, making a seemingly simple feature take dozens of times longer due to things being unintentionally broken. New features shouldn't disrupt existing ones in a good code base, however this unfortunately seems to happen to SE all the time

They know about it. It’s actually a difficult problem to solve because updating the grid mass is expensive from a performance point of view. It is on their radar though.. it’s only a matter of time.

How do we let keen know about this? they seemed to think it was too hard to solve this problem in the last live stream.

*innocent whistling*
I may have done that against ai bases.
and also built 1 steel plate refineries up sides of hills for rovers. lol

Another one of those mods that shouldn't have to exist if KSH had a clue what it was doing. Great work Lucas.

only i have discovered the key to your ultimate destruction

weird flex but okay

yes, this also fixes rotor based cluster torpedoes, which are by far the most powerfull kind of torpedoes you can build with player made missiles. i have been looking for a fix to this weapon ever since i created it, and i am glad that a fix was created before greifers figured out the way to do it. that's the nice thing about greifers, they always think of clever ways to cheat their way around stuff, but they are never clever enough to see past the initial steps to make something trully awefull. glad that servers have a fix to this issue whenever the day comes where i'm will no longer be the only owner of these weapons

Cool

help kill the rotor cannon issue :3

So this mode is caused by rocks not doing their job anymore ? ;-)

As a side note this might also fix other exploity weapons like rotor cannons, great work

You DARE remove my Nuclear firepower

Good job fixing that age old annoyance

Well thanks for letting me know this exploit >;)

Nice!

Well played Sir,

Actually, there is a rather large game performance reason.

How has this not been a vanilla feature for years now? There's no reason that unwelded blocks have the mass of fully welded ones.

This will remove bad form from the games! Very proper!

This should be Vanillaficated Well done

now that is useful cause I once had my small ship busted by a salty faction member via throwing unbuilt blocks at it >~<

you deserve a medal!

Not all heroes wear capes