I just had a veteran boss quest have twelve fallen hero encounters in a row, every fight was a full team of four fallen heroes, other than obviously the boss room. These guys are not nearly as rare as they're meant to be. I did make 42k off of them though since I just so happened to be using my strongest characters.

I love getting a necessary room encounter of 2 houndmasters and 2 bounty hunters that turn 1 crit my front character for 37 damage(Apprentice level mission btw) and then before any of my characters got a turn one of the other ones hit him and instantly killed him, this mod is FIRE, gotta be the most fair and balanced enemy mod on this workshop.

@Quceka Yep, go ahead!

@chogex I am currently trying to implement a questline where you fight other heroes on multiple occasions. Can I use the fallen heroes from your mod as a baseline in mine? If I end up completing the mod and making it public I will of course bring up yout name and the address of this mod.

@nuhuodezhu Sure, I dont mind. Thanks for asking first!

@Chogex Hello, can I enhance your mod and upload to other platforms? I'll bring your name and the original address of the mod

@StealYoBitch, I have encounter Jester who have used solo and then on round 2 (or maybe 3) did 74 crit finale or Abomination who round one transform rage for 52 crit! Where these dmg numbers are coming from? It shouldn't be possible even with dmg trinkets.
Seriously a lot of fallen hero parties are build as suicide kamikadze instead of ballanced, suriviolist teams like ours where we try our best to prevent anyone dying.

4 Jesters is gurnteed that someone in your team gonna die, since back row are gonna use battle ballad or solo, while front position with finale. They won't care if 1-3 jesters die as long as they secure a kill

Or 4 Flagelants - that is instant retreat or prepare for party wipe. Bleeds everyone in your team, constantly heal themselves, they have very high stun resist, and if anyone of them die - will activate undodgeable post death stun attack on your entire team, while heal everyone in their team. Such a broken class

This mod is insanely unbalanced, Week 3, just ran into a full party of 3 Jesters and one Crusader, within 4 turns the Jesters had +32 Dodge buffs and were landing 42 damage Finales against my party.

It's a brilliant idea for a mod, but PLEASE fix the balance for god's sake.

Is there a way to increase the chances of the enemy heroes spawning?

>Came back to the game after +2 years
>Don't know what mods do I have installed
>First mission
>1st encounter with fallen heroes
>"Ok, that was tough, but it's rare isn't it?"
>2nd encounter with fallen heroes
>"Jesus f*cking Christ"
>3rd encounter
>nearly die, escape the fight and surrender the mission
>I'm very rich (~11k from mission)
>Profit and traumatization
Are you sure it's only 8% chance?

Is there any way to modify the AI in this mod? I absolutely love it, but I can't stand how they will hard-focus my healers. Level 0 vestals just get an instant death sentence if I run into a fallen heroes fight, but I really don't want to remove the entire mod if I don't have to

The mod has a cool idea and concept, but it is quite unbalanced in the balance of battles. But balance is another matter.
In my opinion, this mod can be given a very cool development by adding new character classes in the form of opponents instead of standard heroes. There are many mods for hero classes, and even more that are perfect in their style for special enemies. And under such a mod, it would be an ideal use. For example, imagine if there were, for example, such opponents against our heroes:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1688250816&searchtext=
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1935797249&searchtext=
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1849364138&searchtext=
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2199841880&searchtext=
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3049487504&searchtext=
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2307597881&searchtext=

i usually get about a half dozen gems depending on the dungeon difficulty, along with difficulty suitable trinkets, i get very rare on darkest difficulty

you get rare trinkets? What's the load order you got? No encounter gave me more than 1000 gold

i genuinely think that a super rare trinket for each hero may be interesting. i personally think the rewards are already good enough, though perhaps to make others happy you could give them unique loot that stacks super high so you don't have to make room for their gems you get as loot and can carry more. just an idea. just a reminder chogex i really, really like this mod.

Great mod, adds a fun challenge to some dungeons. I would like two things: one, perhaps a quest line or town event regarding them, and two: MUCH better loot drops to match the challenge of fighting them. Just one or two of their cool trinkets would be cool, and maybe a new trinket for defeating one fallen hero of each class?
Overall great mod, just a little more loot would make it one of the best non expansion mods in this game

good god, thank you. I'm done with it's BS

Yes, it's safe to remove

can i safely remove this from a file? The enemies are just straight up cheating. HW gets two turns per round, Musketeer can attack two enemies at once with sniper's shot, they don't even drop anything and they are much more powerful than your heroes. It's outright cheating!

I left a comment before on a different account and since then, my opinion has changed.
For the absolute worst.

This mod absolutely sucks. I don't know if it's because I added another mod, but every time, these enemies come with trinkets of their own and they have a special modifier (Like venomous, bulky,etc.). They are always way faster than you (For example, apprentice hellion has a speed of 9) and If you are surprised, bid your team fucking goodbye. They deal too much damage, they have way too many op abilities (Yawp, Mark party, finale, etc) and some abilities are straight up cheating. I lost a HWM to an arbalest who shot at rank 4 and rank 2 with SNIPER's SHOT!!! Not only that, HM GETS TWO FUCKING TURNS!

So picture this, 3 of your heroes died and you won. At least you got all the trinkets right? WRONG! NO TRINKETS! NOT EVEN THE TRINKETS THE ENEMIES SUPPOSEDLY CARRIED! FUCK this mod. just download the arena instead.

The problem with this mod is if they spawn in level 0 levels you're f....

a dog snack, like your houndmaster

Houndmaster gets TWO TURNS!!! What the FUCK is this!?

No sorry this mod is just to BS to add onto all the other rng nonsense you have to deal with. Had a group of houndmasters 1 shot my guys like 3rd dungeon in.

One of my favorite mods ever, I have a lot of fun with it, ty for making it, you did a great job

Another thing: I encountering DLC fallen heroes when I dont have any DLCs.
And many fallen heroes have DLC trinkets that I can't have. I find it kinda unfair. Since a lot dlc trinkets have huge power creep.

Ok, why a lot of fallen heroes have such insane speed? And they keep getting more and more speed out of nowhere.There is definitely something modified about their skills that they keep getting extra buffs if we compare to our heroes.

I also would suggest restrict fallen heroes to just 1 trinket instead of 2.
Maybe add difficulty setting for this mod?

43 fallen party encounters in 30 dungeons (10 dungeons each across 3 saves), they steamroll low levels and are a cakewalk high level, ignores positioning, takes 0 stress but dishes out a lot of it, fun concept, very poor execution, could not recommend downloading this mod.

Encounters are not "rare" at all and will kill your early parties easily.

unbalanced mod (do not recommend)

and crit is 71 realy 71

realy man you mod is to balance 2 fallen heros kill al my 4 hero at 5 lv whit all maxated, whit all maxated man, they do 1 hit at me ì, me blow up 1 hit= 20 dmg every time?!

man you put to much dmg for the fallen hero, 28 dmg is common, 71 dmg is crit
are you realy? balance it

I also want to reduce the probability of fallen hero. Is there any way to do that?

Is there anyway to lower the chance of finding enemy heroes even more? I like the idea of this as a really rare occurrence, but currently even at its rarity they're too common for my liking.

Trinkets drop around 25% of the time you kill a team of Fallen is that right? I must have been unlucky then D=
Yea that's a good reason! Explains the difficulty I had.

About the difficulty, I originally used level 1 hero stats as the baseline for apprentice dungeons. I chose that since if they were lvl 0, you'd be able to gain +2 levels on them and take away the thrill in facing them in apprentice dungeons after upgrading heroes a little.

But it comes at the cost of making it incredibly tough for lvl 0 unupgraded parties if you face them. Silver lining is that you havent invested much into these heroes, but it's still frustrating.

If dd modding wasn't so painful I'd go and redo the stats for apprentice dungeons, but as it is that's around 100 files I'd need to adjust the values in manually.

Trinket drops should still be in the mod at about 25% drop chance per kill. Also other mods shouldn't affect anything in this mod unless they specifically mention it.

Ah yes based on your images they are supposed to drop trinkets so my bad that's just a incompatibility issue with other mods I'm using or I'm just not putting this mod high enough on the load order.

I really liked the idea for the mod!
However there were a few things I found frustrating which is the reason I'm removing the mod for now:
1. The fallen battles are sometimes harder than the normal monster battle would be, which is great and expected, but sometimes it puts me up against fallen who are higher level than my own characters which are already high level in a low level run. The fallen have more stats outright than my characters which pretty much means a few lucky/unlucky hits and it's a TPK.
2. (This might be due to mod interactions) It's true that the loot is great (lots of valuables), but no trinkets fall from the fallen. It's a little frustrating since we know they are using trinkets and it would be nice to get the option to loot those trinkets even if we don't have space for it all.

Great mod though! Love the concept! Unfortunately hits a little hard for my taste sometimes hahah.

aside from bringing multiple tracked heroes, no.

Pardon me if this is stupid, but, is it possible to increase the chances of this encounter appearing?

As a 'veteran' player I have found the normal combat encounters to be monotonous and unsurprising. Deaths still happen, just not that often. Maybe a party wipe would happen on occasion.

My desire for the good old days of tear soaked rage has been left unsolved for the most part by other monster mods (there are some gems out there don't get me wrong).

Then you have this beautiful mod. Wow... holy crap is this mod hard. Every time I encounter a Fallen Heroes party, I know someone is going to die. The diversity of team comps for them is just euphoric. Who knew being on the receiving end of a Barbaric Yawp or an Occultist's 60 heal crit could feel so enraging. Oh the Jester just cast Solo and your front line has been full stunned, I'm sure you can guess where this is going.

10/10 Mod, would download again.

it's been awhile since i've posted my opinion here so i'll do it again for new subs.

this mod is hard, real hard. at least for an idiot like me. when i'm still getting established with heroes and trinkets they consistently kill one of my heroes per fight if i'm not careful.

that being said, they are a really interesting shake up of normal dungeon fights that i enjoy even when they kill my guys and even more so when i'm set up

tl:dr worth the download, if you get butthurt about character deaths wait til later in your run to encounter them or just hope for the best i spose. hope this helps!

It actually makes sense since certain curios say things like already looted

Feedback: I only use class mods that fit the lore of the game. Unfortunately, that means a lot of awesome classes "go to waste". I'd definitely take a mod that adds *only them* as enemies, since that would be a lot more fitting. In case you feel inclined, these classes are:

Veiled, Werewolf (Werewolf mode exclusive), Rudiment, Slayer, Voivode, Duchess, Wretch, Hexer, Blackguard, Herald, Sword Bearer and Vigilante.

Amazing mod dude. They almost killed my vestal and most my team. Very hard battles... but it crashes at the end of every round. My vestal recieved a negative quirk saying "others have taken notice" Then my game crashed.

Can they drop like 1 trinket? It is usually a hard fight and loot seems fairly underwhelming most of the time

Absolutely not balanced

I sounds cool but it would be more entertaining if the heroes would be a roaming enemy, similar to the thing from the stars.