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Ken Shamrock

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Notes from the MMA jobber file, #wait wait I'm kidding come back oh god

I mean, it's Ken Shamrock. Even more than Wanderlei Silva, I'm really not sure what you can add to the Ken Shamrock conversation. He's one of the most important figures in the history of MMA: The first-ever King of Pancrase, the first-ever UFC beltholder, the first-ever entrant into the UFC Hall of Fame, the first-ever fighter to stop Royce Gracie from submitting them, the first-ever World Mixed Martial Arts Association champion (that one's maybe less of a big deal), the first-ever MMA-wrestling crossover star with titles across the WWF and NWA. Books have been written about the man.

It's hard for more recent fans to understand exactly how important, and how scary, he was. The Ken Shamrock who's fighting embarrassing pseudo-fights in the 2010s is kind of an unfortunate and uncomfortable joke, but in his prime he was a monster who rolled over nearly everyone in his path. Nothing legitimized the UFC and the art of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu as much as the sight of the hulking, terrifying Shamrock getting choked out by Royce Gracie. It shocked people. Even past his prime and having not won a notable fight in years, the allure of Ken Shamrock was enough to drive the UFC to then-record ratings for his feud with Tito Ortiz.

But you can't really talk about the massive successes of Ken's career without addressing the weird parts, too. The feud with his own adopted brother Frank. The visibly worked fights against Matt Hume and Minoru Suzuki in the early Pancrase days. The time he punched Kazuyuki Fujita so hard he gave himself heart palpitations. The time he and Dan Severn put on a fight so ungodly boring it's still talked abouit in hushed whispers to this day. The fact that in the second decade of his career he nosedove from 27-8-1 to 29-17-1. But, mostly, it's the steroids. He took a whole mess of steroids in his career--it was never particularly subtle--and failed multiple tests, the last one mercifully forcing an end to his career after his license to fight was revoked. (He's still trying, though. For the love of god, someone stop him.)

Shamrock is one of the absolute legends of MMA, and he should be revered. But he's also a cautionary tale, and that tale should be heeded.

Moveset, stats, logic and four attires (UFC 1 vs Royce / Pride 19 vs Frye / UFC 61 vs Ortiz / Pancrase: Yes, We Are Hybrid Wrestlers 1 vs Funaki). Note: If you're looking for a WWF/TNA pro-wrestling style Shamrock, this is not going to work for you.
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romanticmisery. 3/set./2017 às 0:49 
His case is way too similar to Wanderlei Silva's: Both started in the "dark" ages" of the MMA, were seen as unstoppable, many accomplishments, many steroids and didn't knew when to quit,making them barely recognizable if you saw their fights in their prime.
CarlCX  [autor(a)] 29/ago./2017 às 21:28 
You are not at all wrong, there was a big ol' change in his fighting prowess after the WWF, but I always wondered how much of that really was the injuries and how much was how the sport had grown in his absence. Ken was a monster and a WWF schedule breaks your body down like nothing else, but when he left MMA top competition was Oleg, Severn and Royce and when he returned it was Tito, Sakuraba and Franklin. Even if he'd had knees I don't know how he would've done, already being in his 40s. (But it got just comically bad towards the end. Seeing him get knocked out by Buzz Berry is one of the sadder moments I've had watching a fight.)

And thank you kindly, ZEFNER. Your Matsui is boss as hell, by the by.
roninpersonaltraining 29/ago./2017 às 15:19 
I think for most edits a montage of their career phases works....Ken is kind of a rare case of a guy who at one point genuinely seemed like "the most dangerous man in the world" (vs Kimo) and then became an absolute joke...When Ken WAS "the most dangerous" man, he seemd like a guy who could win a BJJ tournament, NCAA wrestling tournament or kickboxing match all on the same day....After his knees went, Ken fought more like a broken rock-em-sock-em robot toy picked up at a local garage sale.
ZEFNER 29/ago./2017 às 13:48 
That was an absolute beautiful answer.
CarlCX  [autor(a)] 29/ago./2017 às 13:20 
It's the same idea with Ken. His style was different in Pancrase before he accrued his wrestling mileage, but people remember him for his UFC and Pride runs too--so I tried to make a Ken that has some of the technical wrestling of his Pancrase days, and some of the more brutal grappling of his early UFC days, and some of the vicious punching of his Pride days, and some of the fragility of his late career, but not one specific focus. It's less about representing a single moment in his career and more making a character that is evocative of the whole story of Ken Shamrock The Fighter. It's less precise, but I decided I'd rather have a little more flexibility and ease of use.

And that is my essay answer to a design philosophy question you totally did not ask. Pardon all the words.

Also, Steam’s comment limits really, really suck.
CarlCX  [autor(a)] 29/ago./2017 às 13:19 
After testing a few things on my own and talking to some folks about their preferences, it seemed like the best answer was unifying those long-tenured characters into more of a biographical sketch of what they're best remembered for rather than a vertical slice of one era. A friend of mine made the very salient point that most people who care enough to download Kazuyuki Fujita are going to want a Fujita that plays like the whole of what they remember from his career, rough around the edges but tough as nails, and not just-started-fighting-and-doesn't-fully-know-what-to-do-yet Fujita or 45 year-old shouldn't-be-fighting-anymore Fujita, and that making the pack contain multiple iterations of characters wouldn't just be a bigger undertaking to make but a bigger pain for players to keep organized.
CarlCX  [autor(a)] 29/ago./2017 às 13:19 
Short answer: It's neither version specifically, more of a pastiche of the various phases of his career built around what were historically his strengths.

Long answer: Let me get way too wordy for a second. When I started making the Pride collection I thought about the best way to address making characters play smoothly both as themselves and against other characters when it was going to include both ends of the extreme--fighters like Rickson, whose careers were consistent and short, vs fighters like Coleman and Sakuraba, whose careers were not just long but swung dramatically. Would it be better to make a Sakuraba Prime and a Sakuraba (Knees Don't Work) and if so should there also be a Sakuraba (UWFi) to reflect his style at the time, and at that point given that the characters are meant to be played against each other, what would be the best way to balance them together if some of them are reflective of worked fighting or fighters who were too far past their prime to be effective?
roninpersonaltraining 29/ago./2017 às 11:58 
Just curious what version of Ken this is? I mean the Pancrase/early UFC Ken Shamrock was a much different fighter than the PRIDE version... He himself has said it was injuries that he acquired from his WWF/WWE stint that forced the change.