Hey, Steam. Go F yourself. We don't need babysitters looking out for us.

ghostface victim původně napsal:

On one hand this is a huge middle finger to all of the game developers (and other non dev artists) whose lives have been affected by this "tech" stealing their work and jobs, and is definitely a profit motivated decision with vague enough wording to get around the legal bull. On the other hand, the hilariously bad low effort games that will clog the store after this might at least be entertaining. The badly translated r18 visual novel market is gonna boom! :theskull:

Yeah, because there isn't hilariously bad low effort games clogging the store right now. Get a clue.

spec24 původně napsal:

Hey, Steam. Go F yourself. We don't need babysitters looking out for us.

spec24 původně napsal:

Yeah, because there isn't hilariously bad low effort games clogging the store right now. Get a clue.

You seem to be confused. On the one hand, you don't want any kind of filtering whatsoever and on the other, you're complaining about the low effort games on the store. I'm not convinced you actually have the capacity to know what you really want.

Lukas Timothy původně napsal:

REAL ART > AI ART (for now)
BUT WE NEED A TOGGLE TO FILTER OUT GAMES THAT USE AI

Ye, I like this one. A toggle would be great! But also, I fully support to be really chill with AI. I think we should literally encourage people to not play with it. But I'm also not for telling people what they're allowed to do more than nessesary. But ye, AI is really shady, and might even be the exeption.

The AI is certainly getting better. Just built a "battle chess" Minigame, only took a few days:
https://psychronic.itch.io/psychronic-battle-chess-mvmz

Quite honestly, the mob is full of s**t. They act the crybully on social media or write inflammatory retorts here on Steam's forums about AI, because it's easy. If a small studio makes some usage of AI to accelerate their game development, it's easy to rip them apart in the age of cancel culture.

Let me ask all of you anti-AI people a question. No actually, I'd like to ask you a question from a future perspective, let's say in a year or two or three. When GTA VI is released and you've finished your playthrough, I'd like to ask you: "Where were you when GTA VI released? Were you boycotting the release due to Rockstar's use of AI in game development, or did you conveniently ignore those principles and play the game?" The same goes for Bethesda, Ubisoft, EA, Infinity Ward, and others.

CD Project Red already used neural networks in the development of Phantom Liberty. If Cyberpunk 2077 already interested you, did you buy and play this DLC, or have you boycotted it because of CDPR's acceptance of AI? In this case it was consensual AI voicework, but CDPR is already looking into other forms of AI usage, as revealed in a Reuters interview. Across the pond, Neil Druckmann has said that Naughty Dog will embrace AI technology. Are you going to boycott TLOU2 when it comes to Steam because of Naughty Dog's stance on AI? Or how about their future games?

The answer, I expect, is no, because the majority of the anti-AI mob isn't true to their principles. They just wanted to hop on the bandwagon. Chances are, you don't have a dog in this fight and you want to be one of the "good guys" in this situation. People won't abandon their beloved AAA franchises because of AI. Whether or not you like the technology, it's already becoming the new normal. Now if you are one of the people who would legitimately avoid games utilising neural networks, that's fair enough, at least you have a firm stance on the matter. But unless you stick to indie games that are verifiably fully handcrafted (although it's becoming more difficult to tell by the day) your choice of new games will gradually be limited.

Mantis původně napsal:

Quite honestly, the mob is full of s**t. They act the crybully on social media or write inflammatory retorts here on Steam's forums about AI, because it's easy. If a small studio makes some usage of AI to accelerate their game development, it's easy to rip them apart in the age of cancel culture.

Let me ask all of you anti-AI people a question. No actually, I'd like to ask you a question from a future perspective, let's say in a year or two or three. When GTA VI is released and you've finished your playthrough, I'd like to ask you: "Where were you when GTA VI released? Were you boycotting the release due to Rockstar's use of AI in game development, or did you conveniently ignore those principles and play the game?" The same goes for Bethesda, Ubisoft, EA, Infinity Ward, and others.

CD Project Red already used neural networks in the development of Phantom Liberty. If Cyberpunk 2077 already interested you, did you buy and play this DLC, or have you boycotted it because of CDPR's acceptance of AI? In this case it was consensual AI voicework, but CDPR is already looking into other forms of AI usage, as revealed in a Reuters interview. Across the pond, Neil Druckmann has said that Naughty Dog will embrace AI technology. Are you going to boycott TLOU2 when it comes to Steam because of Naughty Dog's stance on AI? Or how about their future games?

The answer, I expect, is no, because the majority of the anti-AI mob isn't true to their principles. They just wanted to hop on the bandwagon. Chances are, you don't have a dog in this fight and you want to be one of the "good guys" in this situation. People won't abandon their beloved AAA franchises because of AI. Whether or not you like the technology, it's already becoming the new normal. Now if you are one of the people who would legitimately avoid games utilising neural networks, that's fair enough, at least you have a firm stance on the matter. But unless you stick to indie games that are verifiably fully handcrafted (although it's becoming more difficult to tell by the day) your choice of new games will gradually be limited.

I guess you didn't heard that, but the very same day you posted your message, the Screen Actors Guild union actually went on a indefinite strike due to AI abuse in video game industry. So, you were wrong, it's not just about small studios, quite the opposite, we don't want big studios to replace real talented people with AI that will never make something truly unique, and if it would cause a delay in AAA games release dates, I'm fine with it.

What does the protest of Hollywood actors have to do with the stances adopted by disgruntled anti-AI gamers on Steam and similar? They are not you and you are not them. My point is that those who cannot stand the overall use of AI should vote with their wallets. Something that I said very few will end up doing when it comes to the big-name releases into the future, developed by studios who do or will indeed make use of AI.

Side note: It's a hassle to quote you tidily because the rabbit in your name screws with the text positioning in the reply box. Probably not an issue to you, but just letting you know.

is this still going lol

Like it or not, AI-generated content is a copyright infringement.

Just because you're a small developer it doesn't make you entitled to use other people's work, it is still theft.

And enough of this "It learns like humans" nonsense, say it a thousand times, it won't become true.

Don't want to support developers like that.

Not asking for much, but I would at least like to be able to hide games that are using AI-generated content for myself.

Please add a filter like you did for adult games.

Larry Croft původně napsal:

Like it or not, AI-generated content is a copyright infringement.

Just because you're a small developer it doesn't make you entitled to use other people's work, it is still theft.

And enough of this "It learns like humans" nonsense, say it a thousand times, it won't become true.

Don't want to support developers like that.

Not asking for much, but I would at least like to be able to hide games that are using AI-generated content for myself.

Please add a filter like you did for adult games.

What do you think about artists who overtly capitalise on copyrighted characters by selling their services to draw such characters without receiving any consent from the creator?

Larry Croft původně napsal:

Like it or not, AI-generated content is a copyright infringement.

Prove it. Imagine uploading images on the internet on some image boards which are basically are digital public places and then whining about privacy and copyright when AI image generator has nothing to do with actual copying or reselling the existed images and photos. It's no different from people which walk around at public places but then whine that others tend to look at them or even making a video of them due filming the street full of people.

I have said all that I had to say, and by now I am sure everyone has read all the arguments against industrial art and data theft, unfairly called "AI".

At this point, I just want to be able to at least filter what I see on a store page so I can make more informed decisions about my purchases.

Dodging the question. A popular strategy of the protesters who wish only to make a noisy emotional appeal to rally the impressionable herd rather than engage in debate.

Larry Croft původně napsal:

I have said all that I had to say, and by now I am sure everyone has read all the arguments against industrial art and data theft, unfairly called "AI".

At this point, I just want to be able to at least filter what I see on a store page so I can make more informed decisions about my purchases.

They'll never make such filter, because a lot of people will turn it on and they never see a lot of games because of that, and limiting the visibility will hurt the sales hard and so does Valve's profits!