False DMCA claims...

[Vince ✟]

They are used like this.

You have a server on Ark, DayZ, Rust, etc.

Your server is doing way better than me. I am losing subs to a new server that is full of amazing new mod materials.

I claim against you regarding one of these mods.

For 10 days, you must remove the mod from your server. Killing its population relying on it.

During the retort to the claim, you must dox yourself by submitting your name, phone number.
There is no real investigation by Valve and as long as the facts check out, the claim is lifted.

This is used right now in game to KILL servers and harass the owners.

Why doesn't Valve have a way around this abuse?

Cheers.

[Mad Scientist]

Because that has nothing to do with Valve.

That's between the one making the claim, and the one defending against it. The Game Developer however, could permanently ban people trolling in this manner from their game to resolve the matter.

[Vince ✟]

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

Because that has nothing to do with Valve.

That's between the one making the claim, and the one defending against it. The Game Developer however, could permanently ban people trolling in this manner from their game to resolve the matter.

Ahh, so the onus is on the game developer? I'm not a legal expert so I wouldn't know this. Alas, no wonder its an issue. It's like so many other things in life.. passed off to the next guy as his problem to deal with while the average consumer pays to suffer the brunt of neglect. Thanks for clearing it up though, I honestly don't know who's problem it is to deal with.

[wuddih]

the only thing Valve would had to do something on is a DMCA filing on a Steam Workshop mod but Rust only has cosmetic stuff on the workshop and you talk about server mods

so ... here is the wrong tree to bark at.

[Vince ✟]

Originally posted by wuddih:

the only thing Valve would had to do something on is a DMCA filing on a Steam Workshop mod but Rust only has cosmetic stuff on the workshop and you talk about server mods

so ... here is the wrong tree to bark at.

DayZ has a few mods that are suffering this issue is why I asked. I tried to spread out the topic to not be a badgering parrot regarding the issue, as I have a thread elsewhere. I really wanted to direct this at the Valve portion of the problem, but I see it's not that easy to understand. No worries.

There are server owners there that are suffering from this 10 day killer by false claim, repeatedly over a period of 2 years. Imagine something as crucial as say "server traders with ATM" is removed, repeatedly.

Cheers!

[J4MESOX4D]

The DMCA is between you the claimant, the defendant and the author of the material (mod) which you are claiming against. Valve just facilitate the DMCA claim form but everything else is handled between the parties.

Valve however will step in if it is believed the claim to be malicious in any way citing abuse of the feature and that would have dire consequences for the person who initiated the claim.

[Vince ✟]

Originally posted by J4MESOX4D:

The DMCA is between you the claimant, the defendant and the author of the material (mod) which you are claiming against. Valve just facilitate the DMCA claim form but everything else is handled between the parties.

Valve however will step in if it is believed the claim to be malicious in any way citing abuse of the feature and that would have dire consequences for the person who initiated the claim.

Work is being done to that effect, and I hope to see this person stopped soon. This particular game is old, but last year was it's largest of all because of these mods. There is just a person on top who isn't happy about it. (They have the servers with the largest capacities, most players, and a bunch of income due to the "buy vip skip the queue" feature on them, so having no queue is bad, and competition removes queue, thus removing his funds.)

Thank you for all the clarification being done by you fine users. I needed it.

[Nx Machina]

Originally posted by Noirat:

They are used like this.

You have a server on Ark, DayZ, Rust, etc.

Your server is doing way better than me. I am losing subs to a new server that is full of amazing new mod materials.

So the premise is - jealously.

Originally posted by Noirat:

I claim against you regarding one of these mods.

You have to prove you are the creator of those "amazing new mod materials".

https://www.dmca.com/FAQ/What-is-a-DMCA-Takedown

"A DMCA Takedown is when content is removed from a website or internet platform at the request of the owner of the content".

[Vince ✟]

Originally posted by Nx Machina:

Originally posted by Noirat:

They are used like this.

You have a server on Ark, DayZ, Rust, etc.

Your server is doing way better than me. I am losing subs to a new server that is full of amazing new mod materials.

So the premise is - jealously.

Originally posted by Noirat:

I claim against you regarding one of these mods.

You have to prove you are the creator of those "amazing new mod materials".

https://www.dmca.com/FAQ/What-is-a-DMCA-Takedown

"A DMCA Takedown is when content is removed from a website or internet platform at the request of the owner of the content".

Steam does it on accusation. They are fraudulent. They are done in jealousy and spite, yes. After 10 days and the claim isnt supported though, then its lifted but the damage is done. This is the crux of the issue I couldn't wrap my head around, as to why it isn't stopped.

[Aachen]

Ten days destroys these servers, but no passage of time suffices for recovery?

[Vince ✟]

Originally posted by Aachen:

Ten days destroys these servers, but no passage of time suffices for recovery?

Eh? This is done repeatedly over a period of 2 years to some folks. To the point that they are considering legal action. That's the whole thing, it is not the use of the DMCA complaint process, it is the repeated, blatant abuse of it. That was why I asked originally why Valve does nothing about it. This is just something I am aware of and was curious about how it was allowed to happen so easily.

Imagine you own a server. (On an entirely separate note, this server has a backdoor for hackers in it now, because you used a mod for your server designed by THIS SAME GUY and the MAIN DEV for the workshop mods for this game. They log into your server and kill it by hacking with the backdoor tools to kill everyone on the server, causing mass exodus, etc)

Now, this server, assuming you are NOT using this hacked mod of his.. you ARE using the mods that are hot today. Mods like Tarkov, that have traders, atm machines, etc. Well those mods are crucial to the player-base. They all play, make money and deposit in the machines, go to and from the trader, until one day (after a ton of hacking going on) you are hit with a DMCA complaint by this guy. You must take the mod OUT of your game for the duration of this process. You cannot function without it as the players don't have the things they need. So, its a dead server for 10 days. After the 11th day you try again and the process repeats. By the way, this backdoor was into your entire system, not just the video game, so he has your phone number, name, etc. You are now being mass texted by bots and harassed at work.

See why I was wondering? Its just fascinating that through Steam Workshop, such an obvious hole is available to abuse others out of competition.

Thats the best I can describe it, and why I was curious.

[ShelLuser]

Why don't you better educate yourself? You can put a stop to such behavior; I mean, a false DMCA takedown request is actually a punishable felony[affordablereputationmanagement.com].

Why even give into such a takedown request in the first place? You can easily dispute the claim because they're not the original author(s) of whatever mod you're using and you're not obligated to comply such such bogus takedown requests in the first place!

You also don't necessarily have to "dox" yourself because the burden of proof is on the complainer, not you. The only reason why a DMCA takedown request works on YouTube is because Google doesn't want to bother themselves with determining if something is right or wrong and thus takes down the video and leaves the rest up to the Tuber who uploaded the video.

But if you run your own server... then it's you who can call the shots and thus... you just ignore the claim and let the complainers dig themselves into a hole. Unless of course you're not the actual server owner but rather hire that with another provider, in which case... you need to complain to them. Last I checked Steam / Valve doesn't provide servers for people to administer.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Originally posted by Noirat:

To the point that they are considering legal action. That's the whole thing, its the use of the DMCA complaint process, it is the repeated, blatant abuse of it.

People should have already taken legal counsel against this person.

[rawWwRrr]

Originally posted by Noirat:

. This is the crux of the issue I couldn't wrap my head around, as to why it isn't stopped.

Because in order for Valve to retain Steam's safe harbor status, they are obligated to investigate all DMCA claims. It's why sites like YouTube build an automated system for their DMCA claims because they are getting more than they could physically handle on their own, but must still process them all in a timely manner or else they risk being categorized as a willing distributor of illegal content. Valve doesn't get nearly the same volume that YT gets, but the obligation is still the same. Even in the off chance that it's false, they still must follow the process.

[Vince ✟]

Originally posted by ShelLuser:

Why don't you better educate yourself? You can put a stop to such behavior; I mean, a false DMCA takedown request is actually a punishable felony[affordablereputationmanagement.com].

Why even give into such a takedown request in the first place? You can easily dispute the claim because they're not the original author(s) of whatever mod you're using and you're not obligated to comply such such bogus takedown requests in the first place!

You also don't necessarily have to "dox" yourself because the burden of proof is on the complainer, not you. The only reason why a DMCA takedown request works on YouTube is because Google doesn't want to bother themselves with determining if something is right or wrong and thus takes down the video and leaves the rest up to the Tuber who uploaded the video.

But if you run your own server... then it's you who can call the shots and thus... you just ignore the claim and let the complainers dig themselves into a hole. Unless of course you're not the actual server owner but rather hire that with another provider, in which case... you need to complain to them. Last I checked Steam / Valve doesn't provide servers for people to administer.

Firstly, I am curious. It's not ME. I was curious why a game I liked so much is being entangled in such a mess. Secondly, the reason the Server owners don't take legal action is because it costs lots of money. Dont attack me. Im just trying to educate myself as you said. Valve is involved because the claim is being made against items in the Steam Workshop.

Originally posted by cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

Originally posted by Noirat:

To the point that they are considering legal action. That's the whole thing, its the use of the DMCA complaint process, it is the repeated, blatant abuse of it.

People should have already taken legal counsel against this person.

:qr:

I think they are, but its a money issue.

[eram]

when you say subs? are you charging people money to play on your public rented server?