Would like to be able to stream movies / MKV files

Gwarsbane May 8, 2015 @ 9:09pm

Because of copyright laws and the fact that Steam would be sued out of existence for allowing people to steam stuff they only have license to and don't actually own.

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ReBoot May 8, 2015 @ 11:13pm

Originally posted by TysonL:
we can stream any game with .exe file why not give us the option to add MKV files to our library so we can stream movies/anime with our friends.

Do you have obtained those moves in a legal way that permits broadcasting?

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TysonL May 9, 2015 @ 1:41pm

maybe you need check my owned 600+ games and let me know if you think I can't own my own dvds and anime haha.

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Laptop May 9, 2015 @ 2:17pm

You wouldn't be allowed to stream copyrighted content, Valve would never do this because people have no respect for copyright laws these days.

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Gwarsbane May 9, 2015 @ 3:14pm

Originally posted by TysonL:
maybe you need check my owned 600+ games and let me know if you think I can't own my own dvds and anime haha.

You don't actually own any of them. When you "bought" them in a store or where ever, you actually only bought a license to view them in the privacy of your own home.

If you tried to show one in public you can be sued.
If you tried to make a backup of it, you can be sued.
If you ripped it to your laptop or media computer, you can be sued.

The same goes for all the games you have "bought". You only actually bought the license to play them.

The physical media the movies, songs, games or what ever came on, are just the medium to get them to you.

Like it or not, just by opening the packages you agreed to a contact you didn't sign or even see before hand.

And no, I'm not saying that I agree with everything, I'm just telling you how it actually is.

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wuddih May 9, 2015 @ 3:39pm

Originally posted by TysonL:
maybe you need check my owned 600+ games and let me know if you think I can't own my own dvds and anime haha.

you do not own a single game on your account, you own the access, a subscription, to use them for your personal entertainment.

law-wise, every lets play and every streamed gameplay is copyright infringement. it just is grey-legal because the copyright holders are not doing anything against it. many see it as free word of mouth and some are even using those people for advertising and promotion. if you know nintento, you know the other side of this medal, they brought up a legit fear for any content creator and stopped people producing content from nintendo games.

Last edited by wuddih; May 9, 2015 @ 3:42pm

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MainframeMouse May 9, 2015 @ 3:55pm

Originally posted by Gwarsbane:
Originally posted by TysonL:
maybe you need check my owned 600+ games and let me know if you think I can't own my own dvds and anime haha.

You don't actually own any of them. When you "bought" them in a store or where ever, you actually only bought a license to view them in the privacy of your own home.

Actually he bought a "licensed copy of licensed copyrighted material". There is no license in the same way as PC software, its more like a book.

If you tried to show one in public you can be sued.
If you tried to make a backup of it, you can be sued.
If you ripped it to your laptop or media computer, you can be sued.

In the EU
True
False
False

Format shifting was recently legalised in the EU.

The same goes for all the games you have "bought". You only actually bought the license to play them.

The physical media the movies, songs, games or what ever came on, are just the medium to get them to you.

As mentioned, only software is covered by a licensing argreement. Movie, music and books are covered by copyright law.

Like it or not, just by opening the packages you agreed to a contact you didn't sign or even see before hand.

No, you can not be legally bound to any contract you have not seen.

Last edited by MainframeMouse; May 9, 2015 @ 3:58pm

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MainframeMouse May 9, 2015 @ 4:01pm

However public broadcast of any copyrighted material with out an agrement of the copyright holder is illegal.

There are exceptions such as review, education and so on. But you can use those cavet to stream the whole thjng.

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TysonL May 9, 2015 @ 7:48pm

so you going tell me every youtube video of full length movies are being sued? youtube must have soo many lawyers contacting em... you guys are seriously stupid and afraid of your own country laws. thankfully i'm also in Canada that doesn't even give a damn about Streaming movies, downloading torrents. America for you, they will raid your house for a pirated movie Kappa.

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TysonL May 9, 2015 @ 7:54pm

Originally posted by MainframeMouse:
Originally posted by Gwarsbane:

You don't actually own any of them. When you "bought" them in a store or where ever, you actually only bought a license to view them in the privacy of your own home.
Actually he bought a "licensed copy of licensed copyrighted material". There is no license in the same way as PC software, its more like a book.

If you tried to show one in public you can be sued.
If you tried to make a backup of it, you can be sued.
If you ripped it to your laptop or media computer, you can be sued.
In the EU
True
False
False

Format shifting was recently legalised in the EU.

The same goes for all the games you have "bought". You only actually bought the license to play them.

The physical media the movies, songs, games or what ever came on, are just the medium to get them to you.
As mentioned, only software is covered by a licensing argreement. Movie, music and books are covered by copyright law.

Like it or not, just by opening the packages you agreed to a contact you didn't sign or even see before hand.
No, you can not be legally bound to any contract you have not seen.

Originally posted by wuddih:
Originally posted by TysonL:
maybe you need check my owned 600+ games and let me know if you think I can't own my own dvds and anime haha.
you do not own a single game on your account, you own the access, a subscription, to use them for your personal entertainment.

law-wise, every lets play and every streamed gameplay is copyright infringement. it just is grey-legal because the copyright holders are not doing anything against it. many see it as free word of mouth and some are even using those people for advertising and promotion. if you know nintento, you know the other side of this medal, they brought up a legit fear for any content creator and stopped people producing content from nintendo games.

you both read too much into copyright and infringements and contracts that you believe is accepted by opening a "package". Thats very american of you. Canada a contract can only be contract if I signed something. Reminds of our local "Trader Joe's" that american company wanted to sue because he buys things from USA and sells em in his own store.

By your logic Valve should be sued because free source engine used to make movies, that people use for video game characters. Those movies are on youtube and web sites nothing "private" about it. Peace out bros

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wuddih May 9, 2015 @ 9:17pm

Originally posted by TysonL:
By your logic Valve should be sued because free source engine used to make movies, that people use for video game characters. Those movies are on youtube and web sites nothing "private" about it. Peace out bros

why should Valve be sued and by whom in this case? makes no sense the way you say it.

Valve could sue the content creators or in case of youtube, file a copyright dispute and also file a copyright claim if the content is monetized by ads since you are not allowed to use your mentioned tools commercially and ads on youtube are already are commercial use.

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Laptop May 9, 2015 @ 9:19pm

Illegal or not, Valve are not going to allow this. You can loophole laws and policies all you like, piracy is wrong and just a middle finger to the developer / publisher / artist / producer that made it. Don't bother coming up with counter-arguments for piracy as there are none.

Case closed.

#12

The End May 10, 2015 @ 2:54am

Originally posted by TysonL:
thankfully i'm also in Canada...

Read this.
http://globalnews.ca/news/1919187/canadians-who-illegally-download-movies-may-be-risking-more-than-previously-thought/

And that is only the beginning.

Last edited by The End; May 10, 2015 @ 5:04am

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Black Blade May 10, 2015 @ 3:57am

Just like to point out a few things
Reviews is a way some YouTube channels upload game play, for that is some what allow by law in a way, and most cases Devs allow it

My self as a YouTuber when i want to add a video and put ads on it, i turn to the Dev them self, or look if they agree to it
So far i got a few that have some agreement allowing it, or ask to connect them
Source Filem Maker has an agreemnt that allow you to use it for uplaoding for youTube and so on, and many source games have it as well:
for example:
http://www.valvesoftware.com/videopolicy.html

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