BD93 Jul 6, 2022 @ 6:42am
Steam became an oversexualized platform and it concerns me.
Hello everyone,

A couple of months ago I wrote a support ticket to Steam regarding constantly being confronted with pornographic games and sexually themed games which were clearly for adults. The response I got at the time was to turn off seeing that type of content and I could also consider opening a thread here cause this place would also be visited often by Steam employees, at least that's the way I understood it.

I have disabled seeing any type of sexual content, this for me personally does not include nudity, but I personally feel like pornographic content does not belong in a place like Steam. This topic is probably very debately seeing how much those type of games are bought and played by Steam users. But my opinion regarding whether or not porngames belong on Steam or not, I decided to wait a while before opening a thread about this topic.

Before I continue I want to explain a couple of things. I am a father and have a 9 year old son, who is getting closer and closer to the age of being able to use a PC and starting to play videogames on platforms without being monitored 24/7 by parents. It's not that I wish to monitor my son 24/7 but I feel like at the moment, Steam is not a platform that I can trust in the slightest compared to other platforms. We own a Nintendo Switch and I never need to worry that my son comes across sexual games that are dominant on Steam. The way the verification of age system works on Steam is just like saying you are 18+ on a porn website. There is no need to proof you are 18+ and thus with lying about your age you have unlimited access to such content.

Even though this platform is mostly hated by alot of people for whatever reason, I do not have the same fear with allowing my kid to browse on Epic Games simply cause the offered content is focused more on actual games instead of porn. Like I mentioned earlier, whether or not porn "games" belong on a platform like Steam, I find it suprising that it's primarily Steam that provides access to these type of games, and this is something that's only something from the past couple of years I feel like. I personally find it distasteful and I think it hurts the companies image, but once more, that aside, I think it's really important to know Steam's vision, and I am also curious on how the community reacts to this topic, about who is Steam made for.

The reason I eventually decided to open a thread was because I kept being confronted with sexual content on Steam even though I specificly chose to not show sexual content. It is being provided through clickbait game banners, while the game itself has nothing to do with porn, having a very revealing girl on the banner of the Steam page gets more clicks, and also the community HUBs are completely unmoderated and sexual content is allowed and even when flagged it won't be removed. It is a completely unsafe place for children in that regard, and that's why I want to ask once more.

Who is Steam made for, and how can a steam of sexual content and porn being provided to minors so carefuly without the company taking responsiblity for this?

I expect this topic being responded to with ridicule and hate, but I want to ask everyone to really think about this topic, regardless of you having children or not, if you agree with the trend that followed the last couple of years when it comes to this type of content and why Steam is an outlier when it comes to allowing this type of content.

Thanks for reading, can't wait for your reactions!
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Nx Machina Jul 6, 2022 @ 6:50am 
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Adult sexual content is OFF by default. All other content can be turned off via.

https://store.steampowered.com/account/preferences/

Secondly parental controls via Family View limits and determines what a child can view on THEIR account and a responsible parent should be there when they are viewing the store.

Note: the "child" angle does not work.

And finally different tastes make the world go round but SJW's miss that point yet oddly want no one to interfere with their tastes, more commonly known as hypocrisy.

Citation need for:

Originally posted by BD93:
Even though this platform is mostly hated by alot of people for whatever reason
Last edited by Nx Machina; Jul 6, 2022 @ 7:02am
Crazy Tiger Jul 6, 2022 @ 6:55am 
I'm curious how you keep running into sexual content. I honestly don't run into it, but I don't have Adult Only content enabled. I'm not a fan of the content, but I'm fine with a store selling things I don't like.

Personally I don't like the "think of the children" shtick, it's an unnecessary vehicle to carry a personal opinion. And I say that as a father of children who use Steam. I have no fear of letting them use the platform (they're aware of the Adult Only filter and I laughed when the responses to it was "eeeww, no thanks"), though they don't do anything beyond launching games through it anyway.
Talk with your kid, educate him on the internet and you don't have to worry. Additionally you can use Family View to restrict what your kid can do or see in Steam. Though personally I'm more a fan of talking/educating than using limiting tools.

Steam is made for people who like to play games and for people who like to sell games. Both are customer groups of Steam.

Sexual content can be sold without issue for the same reason nude magazines get sold by supermarkets and book stores, the store wants to cater to a larger audience.

I also doubt Steam is hated by a lot of people, just as I doubt Epic is actually hated by a lot of people. One has to remind themselves that the people who talk online are NOT a majority. They're the outliers that are vocal, but certainly do not represent the userbase as a whole.
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Spawn of Totoro Jul 6, 2022 @ 6:59am 
In addition to the above:
https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/6B1A-66BE-E911-3D98

I have a 12/yo son. He has been playing games on Steam since 5/yo as there are some pre-school and first grade educational games he enjoyed.

Family View can be used to limit the content your child has access to. We limited all content until he was older, then opened the store and some community features so he could edit his profile.

Also, you can limit adult only sexual content, with out limiting nudity in the preferences. Games marked "Adult Only" on the store will be removed from view of the users(s), while games such as the Witcher 3 that has some nudity will still remain viewable.

There are tools available for the parent to use.
Last edited by Spawn of Totoro; Jul 6, 2022 @ 7:00am
Brian9824 Jul 6, 2022 @ 7:15am 
Originally posted by BD93:
I could also consider opening a thread here cause this place would also be visited often by Steam employees, at least that's the way I understood it.
Yep, that is what support tells people when they bug them with stuff they don't handle.



Originally posted by BD93:
but I personally feel like pornographic content does not belong in a place like Steam.
Ok, so go make your own store and sell the content that you want. I mean just because you don't like it doesn't mean that it shouldn't be made for others.



Originally posted by BD93:
Before I continue I want to explain a couple of things. I am a father and have a 9 year old son, who is getting closer and closer to the age of being able to use a PC and starting to play videogames on platforms without being monitored 24/7 by parents. It's not that I wish to monitor my son 24/7 but I feel like at the moment, Steam is not a platform that I can trust in the slightest compared to other platforms.
Then set up a proper account, but there is this thing called the internet, if he searches for it he will see pictures.

Originally posted by BD93:
We own a Nintendo Switch and I never need to worry that my son comes across sexual games that are dominant on Steam.
Different platforms for different reasons. There are plenty of eye raising games on Switch, but consoles have always been limited and catered to different markets.

Originally posted by BD93:
The way the verification of age system works on Steam is just like saying you are 18+ on a porn website. There is no need to proof you are 18+ and thus with lying about your age you have unlimited access to such content.
Its not an age verification system. It exists solely so people can't sue if someone underage accesses content they shouldn't.


Originally posted by BD93:
Even though this platform is mostly hated by alot of people for whatever reason, I do not have the same fear with allowing my kid to browse on Epic Games simply cause the offered content is focused more on actual games instead of porn.
Unchecking the toggle removes all porn games from Steam. Something of which by default is off and that you have to opt into seeing.

Originally posted by BD93:
Like I mentioned earlier, whether or not porn "games" belong on a platform like Steam, I find it suprising that it's primarily Steam that provides access to these type of games, and this is something that's only something from the past couple of years I feel like. I personally find it distasteful and I think it hurts the companies image, but once more, that aside, I think it's really important to know Steam's vision, and I am also curious on how the community reacts to this topic, about who is Steam made for.
Steam's vision is freedom for parents and individuals to choose for themselves. Your personal taste is irrelevant. If you don't like them, then don't check the button that makes them visible. That doesn't mean those who do like them shouldn't be allowed to.

Originally posted by BD93:
The reason I eventually decided to open a thread was because I kept being confronted with sexual content on Steam even though I specificly chose to not show sexual content. It is being provided through clickbait game banners, while the game itself has nothing to do with porn, having a very revealing girl on the banner of the Steam page gets more clicks, and also the community HUBs are completely unmoderated and sexual content is allowed and even when flagged it won't be removed. It is a completely unsafe place for children in that regard, and that's why I want to ask once more.
Sexual content is not porn. Lots of switch games have sexual content as well.


Originally posted by BD93:
Who is Steam made for, and how can a steam of sexual content and porn being provided to minors so carefuly without the company taking responsiblity for this?
I know its a novel concept but many have this strange notion that as parents its OUR responsibility for our children. Steam is made for everyone with a wide variety of tastes. That is why you have tools to control what parts of steam your child can access. I mean your computer has a web browser and google. Are you going to write to google and complain that google can show sexual images if you click to enable them?

Originally posted by BD93:
I expect this topic being responded to with ridicule and hate, but I want to ask everyone to really think about this topic, regardless of you having children or not, if you agree with the trend that followed the last couple of years when it comes to this type of content and why Steam is an outlier when it comes to allowing this type of content.

Thanks for reading, can't wait for your reactions!
The only reason you'd get any hate is because your trying to apply your personal views and then enforce them on everyone else because of your stance. I mean if Christian groups dislike elements of Dark Souls should they be allowed to enforce their views and have those games removed? Or should those offended use the available tools to deal with it?

The key as a parent is to actually parent and take responsibility. If your worried about what your kid is doing on a PC there is software you can install on it, family view, etc. The key is to actually parent and not assume random companies are going to do your job for you.
rawWwRrr Jul 6, 2022 @ 7:15am 
On the entire front page of the store, with all of the games being promoted for sale, I see one that has sexual content. After going to my store preferences and turning off mature content, I see none.

I'm not quite sure what more Steam needs to do in this regard.
Phoenix Jul 6, 2022 @ 7:18am 
Originally posted by Nx Machina:
Adult sexual content is OFF by default. All other content can be turned off via.

https://store.steampowered.com/account/preferences/

Secondly parental controls via Family View limits and determines what a child can view on THEIR account and a responsible parent should be there when they are viewing the store.

Note: the "child" angle does not work.
Indeed it doesn't, and I'd honestly like to hear from OP why he intends to let his "9 year old son" use Steam when the SSA explicitly states

[...]You may not become a subscriber if you are under the age of 13. Steam is not intended for children under 13 and Valve will not knowingly collect personal information from children under the age of 13. Additional age restrictions may apply in your country.
Don't use "won't somebody think of the children" as argument OP. Just don't.
Brian9824 Jul 6, 2022 @ 7:28am 
Originally posted by Phoenix:
Originally posted by Nx Machina:
Adult sexual content is OFF by default. All other content can be turned off via.

https://store.steampowered.com/account/preferences/

Secondly parental controls via Family View limits and determines what a child can view on THEIR account and a responsible parent should be there when they are viewing the store.

Note: the "child" angle does not work.
Indeed it doesn't, and I'd honestly like to hear from OP why he intends to let his "9 year old son" use Steam when the SSA explicitly states

[...]You may not become a subscriber if you are under the age of 13. Steam is not intended for children under 13 and Valve will not knowingly collect personal information from children under the age of 13. Additional age restrictions may apply in your country.
Don't use "won't somebody think of the children" as argument OP. Just don't.

You can create an account for kids, but its intended that you take the time to set up proper parental controls like Spawn of Totoro said. A child under 13 just isn't allowed to MAKE the account.
Mad Scientist Jul 6, 2022 @ 7:45am 
Originally posted by BD93:
The response I got at the time was to turn off seeing that type of content
The following can be changed via https://store.steampowered.com/account/preferences ;

Nudity or Sexual Content
Tick this box if you are okay with seeing games that contain some nudity or sexual content.

Adult Only Sexual Content
Tick this box if you are okay seeing games that contain sexual content that is explicit or graphic and is intended for adults only. By ticking this box you affirm that you are at least eighteen years old.

Once disabled, you can filter out "Hentai", "Anime", "Visual Novel", and other things like "LGBT" or whatever tag it is now. Then, re-visit the store - none of those things should pop up. There is also Family View when you're ready for a child to have an account;

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/6B1A-66BE-E911-3D98

Originally posted by BD93:
closer to the age of being able to use a PC and starting to play videogames on platforms without being monitored 24/7 by parents.
See above for Family View. Solves a lot of problems.

Originally posted by BD93:
Even though this platform is mostly hated by alot of people for whatever reason
The only people that "hate" Steam, are typically users of Steam that want free stuff like Epic does. That, or they want Valves to force Developers to do things and get overly vocal when they do not. They are a very, very small minority of users that despite the complaints, still often choose to use the service. Steam is just too easy to use, and has a lot of well-known sales which attracts a lot of people.

Originally posted by BD93:
I do not have the same fear with allowing my kid to browse on Epic Games simply cause the offered content is focused more on actual games instead of porn.
Epic is only still alive because it uses engine & fortnite money, without it, they simply would've gone bankrupt and ceased existing.

Family View stops a lot of your problems before they start.

Originally posted by BD93:
I think it's really important to know Steam's vision, and I am also curious on how the community reacts to this topic, about who is Steam made for.
Steam is made for anyone that wants to sell a game/software license or buy a game/software license. As long as neither violate the law, they may sell/buy as they wish.

Simply, Valve lets users determine what they do or do not want to see & purchase. Additionally, they made tools just for parents & families so this can be a non-issue, though parents anywhere should be careful believing any one store is flawless. One cannot presume for example that steam nor epic will have the flawless functions, you should still to an extent be involved in knowing what your child is doing, watching or playing.

Originally posted by BD93:
Who is Steam made for, and how can a steam of sexual content and porn being provided to minors so carefuly without the company taking responsiblity for this?
People that want to buy games or software.
People that want to sell games or software.
People that are given the option to receive early access to an in-development game.
People that want free choice as to what kind of game(s) they get, with little restriction, as Valve does not babysit the users, so they may accordingly sell/buy games people may not like.

Originally posted by BD93:
I expect this topic being responded to with ridicule and hate
Criticism, yes.
Hate, no.

The issue here, is many people of many ages have issues with various games. We've heard the age-old stuff about how FPS creates societies monsters, how some strange sexualized game makes someone an extreme degenerate, or other things made up about what some people decide to consume.

People have various game tastes, much like they have different food, clothing, travel and luxury tastes.
KalGimpa Jul 6, 2022 @ 7:51am 
i am curious about your true intent with this thread, op

you ahve been here a while, you know that the only way to see those is to opt into it.

i have kids. all grown now, but they were watched when online., they were not allowed to have a computer or phone that i could not access. i read and learned about the things people idd to get around blocks and how to keep up with them when they tried (they are kids, that is wht we did and they do)

you say that

Originally posted by BD93:
I expect this topic being responded to with ridicule and hate, but I want to ask everyone to really think about this topic, regardless of you having children or not, if you agree with the trend that followed the last couple of years when it comes to this type of content and why Steam is an outlier when it comes to allowing this type of content.

Thanks for reading, can't wait for your reactions!


which makes me wonder about that intent

if you are not going to assume hatred or anything,

my personal opinion is

let people play the games they want to play. just like a video store used to put the adult vids behind a door or curtain, steam has put their adult section in a place that children cannot get to when parents do their job
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Start_Running Jul 6, 2022 @ 8:05am 
Did someone forget that they turned on the 'SHow me PR0N option again?
wuddih Jul 6, 2022 @ 8:17am 
Steam is and was always an open platform and it will be its downfall if this ever changes.

you will find everything here, even the most niche things. that of course includes naughty games.

in store preferences you can widely blend all the things out that you dont wanna see.
and if you wanna make sure ... Valve commits to implement local laws as much as possible, so ... move to Germany, they are completely blocked there until proper age-verification is implemented.
nullable Jul 6, 2022 @ 8:30am 
Stick with Nintendo if you think Steam and PC games are too wild for your kid.
Start_Running Jul 6, 2022 @ 8:47am 
Originally posted by Snakub Plissken:
Stick with Nintendo if you think Steam and PC games are too wild for your kid.
Conker's Bad Fur Day
BD93 Jul 6, 2022 @ 10:02am 
Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:
I'm curious how you keep running into sexual content. I honestly don't run into it, but I don't have Adult Only content enabled. I'm not a fan of the content, but I'm fine with a store selling things I don't like.

Personally I don't like the "think of the children" shtick, it's an unnecessary vehicle to carry a personal opinion. And I say that as a father of children who use Steam. I have no fear of letting them use the platform (they're aware of the Adult Only filter and I laughed when the responses to it was "eeeww, no thanks"), though they don't do anything beyond launching games through it anyway.
Talk with your kid, educate him on the internet and you don't have to worry. Additionally you can use Family View to restrict what your kid can do or see in Steam. Though personally I'm more a fan of talking/educating than using limiting tools.

Steam is made for people who like to play games and for people who like to sell games. Both are customer groups of Steam.

Sexual content can be sold without issue for the same reason nude magazines get sold by supermarkets and book stores, the store wants to cater to a larger audience.

I also doubt Steam is hated by a lot of people, just as I doubt Epic is actually hated by a lot of people. One has to remind themselves that the people who talk online are NOT a majority. They're the outliers that are vocal, but certainly do not represent the userbase as a whole.
I mainly see the type of content in "fan art" and mods in community hubs.
BD93 Jul 6, 2022 @ 10:05am 
Originally posted by wuddih:
Steam is and was always an open platform and it will be its downfall if this ever changes.

you will find everything here, even the most niche things. that of course includes naughty games.

in store preferences you can widely blend all the things out that you dont wanna see.
and if you wanna make sure ... Valve commits to implement local laws as much as possible, so ... move to Germany, they are completely blocked there until proper age-verification is implemented.
Steam has not always been a platform that sells porn games. Still my issue is not with the games themselves, and many people here seem to miss my point on that. It's that the sexual content shows up at more places than just the games that I have turned off. Mainly the community places in forms of fan art and mods that are popular will pop up without searching too hard.
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