How about virus scanning every game? Every file? Every update made to a game?

[JeffMakesGames]

Come on Valve. It's becoming very clear that once a game or a piece of software is on the platform, the developer can update the game at will to include malicious content.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0G0_ggH-ws

[shockedfrog]

There's no miner, Sid got it wrong again.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/937e7m/abstractism_has_been_removed_from_the_steam_store/e3vq67q/

[cinedine]

They already do.
And Akamai does, too.

Badly coded games are not viruses.
Huge memory usage can easily be attributed to bad coding with memory leaks, lots of static reference or other means that don't properly destroy objects and free the memory. And given that those low effort devs have little to no expierience, you have to follow the simple dogma of "don't attribute to malice which can be explained with stupidity".

Same can be said about Sid Alpha's panic mongering.

[Tito Shivan]

cinedine původně napsal:

They already do.
And Akamai does, too.

Correct.

[Moderate my posterior.]

How about demanding that outrage peddlars on youtube actually have evidence for their retarded accusations?

[Crazy Tiger]

Moderate my posterior. původně napsal:

How about demanding that outrage peddlars on youtube actually have evidence for their retarded accusations?

I think that's a bridge to far, unfortunately.

[RiO]

Moderate my posterior. původně napsal:

How about demanding that outrage peddlars on youtube actually have evidence for their retarded accusations?

How about demanding people actually read/watch the topic matter before spouting off in a thread?


The OP's cited video?

It is about Alien Hunt 3D; a different game from Abstractism.
That game is shown to be a stolen re-pack of an Android app.
And it is shown to contain crypto-miner malware, as verified via Virus-Total.

Those are the facts SidAlpha presented.
He explicitly goes on to mention that he doesn't know if it's the real deal this time; but it does look like it, so he'll be reporting the game to Valve so they can check things on their end.

If you also take a moment to look at the comments section, you'll note SidAlpha has posted an update regarding the situation after he reported the game to Valve. He received a notification by e-mail that Valve is looking into things, because it looks like malware which has slipped through their existing QA procedures.

So Valve itself atleast believes something is up here.
Meaning that yeah.... the OP's claim that Valve should shore-up their security is warranted here.




And for our special bonus round:

The video starts with SidAlpha explaining that while he did post a video about the previous game, Abstractism, containing crypto-miner malware, he attached the proper warnings to that video, telling his viewers that it was based only on information available at the time and without extensive technical analysis, which meant that it might not be accurate.

Your beef is not with the Youtuber here. It's with the more traditional mainstream gaming news media using the news as clickbait and blissfully ignoring that upfront warning.

Much like most of the replies here in this thread probably completely missed the actual topic and assumed it was still about Abstractism. Including whichever global moderator marked Tito's reply as the 'answer to the thread'.

Which it most assuredly IS NOT.


Also; what proof does minagi offer that this Bat-To-EXE converter program does not infact sneak in a bit more code that has the signature of a dropper for a coin-miner?

Note here people: it doesn't have to be immediately active.
Droppers rarely are. They wait to be wide-spread before the switch is flipped.

Did minagi perform full decompilation on the EXE and check all of it?
If not; I'd be inclined to err on the side of caution and believe the 30 odd scanners used by VirusTotal that did pick this up as malware.

[cinedine]

RiO původně napsal:

he attached warnings to that video that it was based only on the information at the time without extensive analysis and that it might not be accurate.

Here's an idea:
Get your facts straigth first and post a video after.

Sid Alpha has become a panic monger and click baiter who often in indulges his own ignorance. And he fully well knows about the state of gaming "news" just copying off one another and being always open for the next click bringing scandal. And he fully knows how most of his viewers are incapable of thinking for themselves and take his word for gospel (just like most of these channels).

[76561198407601200]

cinedine původně napsal:

They already do.
And Akamai does, too.

Badly coded games are not viruses.
Huge memory usage can easily be attributed to bad coding with memory leaks, lots of static reference or other means that don't properly destroy objects and free the memory. And given that those low effort devs have little to no expierience, you have to follow the simple dogma of "don't attribute to malice which can be explained with stupidity".

Same can be said about Sid Alpha's panic mongering.

Good thing some of these people didn't grow up in the age of n64 and expansion packs. They would've sworn up and down that dk64's memory leaks requiring the bigger expansion pack was a virus.

[RiO]

cinedine původně napsal:

RiO původně napsal:

he attached warnings to that video that it was based only on the information at the time without extensive analysis and that it might not be accurate.

Here's an idea:
Get your facts straigth first and post a video after.

Sid Alpha has become a panic monger and click baiter who often in his own ignorance. And he fully well knows about the state of gaming "news" just copying off one another and being always open for the next click bringing scandal. And he fully knows how most of his viewers are incapable of thinking for themselves and take his word for gospel (just like most of these channels).

First off: If it's in your own ignorance, it isn't click-baiting. Click-baiting requires that you are acutely aware of what you're doing. Hence it's called "baiting."

Having said that...
Atleast in the video related to Abstractism, SidAlpha goes to great lengths to explicitly separate a list of facts from his own opinion and inferences based on those facts.
He explicitly asks his audience to take that into account for the remainder of the video, because it's important.

And really; what more do you want him to do?
If sheep willfully ignore that warning, he has very little recourse left.

Could he not publish at all until all the facts are in and everything is digested?
Yes, he could.

But it just means the next guy in line will still gladly go ahead and prematurely publish a piece that will more than likely be uninformed; be actual click-bait; and get all the views and thus revenue. Because that's the way the machine works; and the type of fact-checking that you want was sacrificed on the altar of our 24/7-connected always-on up-to-the-minute-informed economy.

And leaving it up to someone else could arguably be worse as SidAlpha atleast warns his audience about what is fact and what is not; even if it falls on deaf ears for some.

[Start_Running]

Oy vey. Well what'd you expect the guy got such big boost when his last bit of click-bait went viral. Its always much easier to swallow information than to chew it over these days.

[Moderate my posterior.]

I lolled when RIO got all hot and bothered about checking the video and then didn't bother to actually go to read the link about how alien hunters been disassembled now too and nothing was there. Some sheep need shearing. Including how the tester replicated the false positive was a stroke of brilliance.

[Start_Running]

Moderate my posterior. původně napsal:

I lolled when RIO got all hot and bothered about checking the video and then didn't bother to actually go to read the link about how alien hunters been disassembled now too and nothing was there. Some sheep need shearing.

At this point I'm thinking mutton-chops.

[Spawn of Totoro]

I'm thinking people need to stop insulting sheep. Both sides.

Someone with the opposite view is not a sheep, they just see thinkgs differently.

[Drab]

Spawn of Totoro původně napsal:

I'm thinking people need to stop insulting sheep. Both sides.

Someone with the opposite view is not a sheep, they just see thinkgs differently.

Agree.

They are actually parrots anyway.

[Moderate my posterior.]

Who is insulting sheep? I like wool as much as the next gal.