Achievements overhaul

[Yodik]

Just that

[Pocahawtness]

But....what do you want to see instead of the current system?

[Yodik]

Not that match.
- By starting giving a value to the trophies and checking all the certified games. Like there are a lot of ♥♥♥♥♥♥ achievements game farms on steam, like they should be removed from Steam, or at least just don't give his trophies a value.
- Ranking achievements for difficulties .
- Try to do something for achievement cheaters.
- Give more importance for trophies, like on Steam profile, maybe under name there is the quantity of trophies, and what type of trophies.
- Fix at least Valve broken achievments.
- Give maybe EXP for doing achievements? Or maybe another ranking, but make them value.

[Count_Dandyman]

Fixing broken achievements is the job of the dev for the game

Everything else is just unimportant E-peen measuring tools and Steam decided long ago they don't want to get into that

[Cathulhu]

Yodik の投稿を引用：

- By starting giving a value to the trophies and checking all the certified games. Like there are a lot of ♥♥♥♥♥♥ achievements game farms on steam, like they should be removed from Steam, or at least just don't give his trophies a value.

Then why give them value at all?

Yodik の投稿を引用：

- Ranking achievements for difficulties

See above .

Yodik の投稿を引用：

- Try to do something for achievement cheaters.

Giving achievements value would only make it worse. So again, why give them value?

Yodik の投稿を引用：

- Give more importance for trophies, like on Steam profile, maybe under name there is the quantity of trophies, and what type of trophies.

Already exists, it's called a Showcase and there are multiple showcases for achievements.

Yodik の投稿を引用：

- Fix at least Valve broken achievments.

What achievements are broken in Valve games?

Yodik の投稿を引用：

- Give maybe EXP for doing achievements? Or maybe another ranking, but make them value.

Didn't you want to fight achievement spam games? Doing that would only be an incentive for more of those.

[Yodik]

Cathulhu の投稿を引用：

Yodik の投稿を引用：

- By starting giving a value to the trophies and checking all the certified games. Like there are a lot of ♥♥♥♥♥♥ achievements game farms on steam, like they should be removed from Steam, or at least just don't give his trophies a value.

Then why give them value at all?

- If they give value to the right achievements, the achievement farm games will be useless.

Cathulhu の投稿を引用：

Yodik の投稿を引用：

- Ranking achievements for difficulties

See above.

- It would get more player into playing games, there are a lot of achievement hunter players.

Cathulhu の投稿を引用：

Yodik の投稿を引用：

- Try to do something for achievement cheaters.

Giving achievements value would only make it worse. So again, why give them value?

- Well this is the only bad thing I can think of. (achievement cheaters)

Cathulhu の投稿を引用：

Yodik の投稿を引用：

- Give more importance for trophies, like on Steam profile, maybe under name there is the quantity of trophies, and what type of trophies.

Already exists, it's called a Showcase and there are multiple showcases for achievements.

- Sure, but something official would be more cool.

Cathulhu の投稿を引用：

Yodik の投稿を引用：

- Fix at least Valve broken achievments.

What achievements are broken in Valve games?

- For example, Cs:Go has one broken achievement right now. You can't do the 14 windows acheivement on office because the new windows breaking system isn't the same of the old one, so the achievement doesn't count that windows you broke. You need to donwload an older version of the map to get it. And it's a bit like cheting, it's not fully fair.

Cathulhu の投稿を引用：

Yodik の投稿を引用：

- Give maybe EXP for doing achievements? Or maybe another ranking, but make them value.

Didn't you want to fight achievement spam games? Doing that would only be an incentive for more of those.

- Absolutely not, by giving achievements such an important feature, Valve will not let achievement spam games trophies value and they will stop making them.

[Cathulhu]

Showcases are official. You have three currently on your profile page:
https://steamcommunity.com/id/Yodik

[Yodik]

Cathulhu の投稿を引用：

Showcases are official. You have three currently on your profile page:
https://steamcommunity.com/id/Yodik

Sorry, my fault, missunderstand.
Yes it's cool but, still not enough value to achievements I guess.

[wuddih]

there are 15k games on Steam that have achievements, which are again completely the devs task.

any change to the system would essentially mean everyone has to at least reaudit their achievements with close to no changes as possible to their setup, so that people dont lose stuff. and if just another layer of value gets put on top of it, as we know from added currencies on Steam, there are still devs that did not setup prices for the currencies added in 2016. so this will also cause inconsistencies among Steam.

also, what Valve certainly cannot do .. is the process how they are handled because that would mean 15k games have to change their code and that is not acceptable.

partly changes to the system for future games, would de-value older games on Steam.

as far as overhaul, the only thing Valve can do atm is altering their visual representation.

[Yodik]

wuddih の投稿を引用：

there are 15k games on Steam that have achievements, which are again completely the devs task.

any change to the system would essentially mean everyone has to at least reaudit their achievements with close to no changes as possible to their setup, so that people dont lose stuff. and if just another layer of value gets put on top of it, as we know from added currencies on Steam, there are still devs that did not setup prices for the currencies added in 2016. so this will also cause inconsistencies among Steam.

also, what Valve certainly cannot do .. is the process how they are handled because that would mean 15k games have to change their code and that is not acceptable.

partly changes to the system for future games, would de-value older games on Steam.

as far as overhaul, the only thing Valve can do atm is altering their visual representation.

Yeah too many games, but what about if for now, only certain games, and new coming out games will have this new system? It would be something to start with, then all upcoming games will have the new system with rankings, and the old ones remain just normal no ranked achievements

[Gwarsbane]

Yodik の投稿を引用：

- If they give value to the right achievements, the achievement farm games will be useless.

First off, Valve wouldn't be the ones going through and giving the achievements values, it would be the game devs assigning those values, and who do you think makes the achievement farm games, the devs.

Yodik の投稿を引用：

- It would get more player into playing games, there are a lot of achievement hunter players.

And they have a lot of achievements out there that they can hunt, it still won't change anything. It doesn't matter the value of the achievement, if its there achievement hunters will hunt them.

Yodik の投稿を引用：

- Well this is the only bad thing I can think of. (achievement cheaters)

And achievements are easy to unlock on PCs because of how open they are. They are only slightly less easy on consoles but its still done. If there are point values its going to make even more people want to cheat them.

Yodik の投稿を引用：

- For example, Cs:Go has one broken achievement right now. You can't do the 14 windows acheivement on office because the new windows breaking system isn't the same of the old one, so the achievement doesn't count that windows you broke. You need to donwload an older version of the map to get it. And it's a bit like cheting, it's not fully fair.

Then go post about the broken achievement in the games discussion area and get more support by the players who actually play the game to get it changed/fixed.

If there are achievements that are broken in a game you play, posting about them here does nothing. You need to post about it in the games discussion area, get the devs to notice and hopefully change it.

BUT you are just going to have to accept that some achievements will never be fixed because there are no more devs around and the publishers of the games are not going to hire someone to dive into the code, if they have it, to fix it.

Yodik の投稿を引用：

- Absolutely not, by giving achievements such an important feature, Valve will not let achievement spam games trophies value and they will stop making them.

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No, giving the achievements value will only encourage more achievement spam games. Look at how many there are now and they are worth nothing. Start making them worth something and more will be made because they know that people that like that stuff will buy their stuff.

Yodik の投稿を引用：

Yeah too many games, but what about if for now, only certain games, and new coming out games will have this new system? It would be something to start with, then all upcoming games will have the new system with rankings, and the old ones remain just normal no ranked achievements

No, we don't need 2 system, what we have is good enough. And with Valve its all or nothing. Either everything gets the new system or none of them do.




What you want, will not do what you think it will do. It will make the number of achievement spam games worse. More people will buy them because it now effects their profile and other stuff like that. Achievement spam games will be made even easier.

And you will still have people who unlock achievements in other ways just to get the points without Valve being able to anything about it.



BUT you would have discovered all this already had you bothered to use the search feature.

[Levi]

Yodik の投稿を引用：

- Try to do something for achievement cheaters

Some games have their achievements protected.

With that said, some game developers can and sometimes do issue game hub bans for those that 'cheat' their achievements.

The Payday 2 developers were infamous for doing this, since triggering achievements gives certain drops.

However, they've stopped during this...

https://steamcommunity.com/app/218620/discussions/8/1698293255137722034/

Now you may be wondering; "what is Valve's stance when it comes to cheating achievements?".

Here's a response from an actual Valve employee...

https://steamcommunity.com/groups/AStats#announcements/detail/687197541732549159

"Yeah, in a perfect world, we'd like achievements to be more secure. But its not really reasonable on a PC. Xbox and Playstation can do it because they control the hardware really tightly."

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Daedalus の投稿を引用：

Aside from fixing the achievement hackers, a third showcase for 'verified' games would be nice. That way you can see who is actually putting effort into their perfect games instead of just buying the achievement farming ones.

Won't happen.

[Gwarsbane]

Daedalus の投稿を引用：

It seems like the system is too far gone for any overhaul to have an impact.

Aside from fixing the achievement hackers, a third showcase for 'verified' games would be nice. That way you can see who is actually putting effort into their perfect games instead of just buying the achievement farming ones.

Remember this simple thing that I live by, if it can be programmed, it can be hacked. "Fixing" it would not last long.

Also how do you tell which are verified and which are not. There are some games that unlock while in the game so come one after another. There are some games that don't send that info till after you close the game down so they all come at once. Valve has no idea what games do what, and the stuff can change at the whim of the developers who could even set it up to do both ways.

What is setup is just fine, it gives the achievements a value of what they really mean, which is nothing. They are simply a reward for doing something in the game and thats it.

In the end they don't tell you anything about the person who got the achievements other than someone has them.

[JPMcMillen]

Gwarsbane の投稿を引用：

Yodik の投稿を引用：

- Absolutely not, by giving achievements such an important feature, Valve will not let achievement spam games trophies value and they will stop making them.

No, giving the achievements value will only encourage more achievement spam games. Look at how many there are now and they are worth nothing. Start making them worth something and more will be made because they know that people that like that stuff will buy their stuff.

Couldn't that be solved by just capping the number of achievement points a game can give? So whether a game as 30 achievements or 3000, they would both have the same maximum achievement score.

Don't get the wrong idea, I know Valve is probably never going to change how achievements work and I'm fine with how it is now. Just playing devils advocate on this one.

[Count_Dandyman]

JPMcMillen の投稿を引用：

Gwarsbane の投稿を引用：

No, giving the achievements value will only encourage more achievement spam games. Look at how many there are now and they are worth nothing. Start making them worth something and more will be made because they know that people that like that stuff will buy their stuff.

Couldn't that be solved by just capping the number of achievement points a game can give? So whether a game as 30 achievements or 3000, they would both have the same maximum achievement score.

Don't get the wrong idea, I know Valve is probably never going to change how achievements work and I'm fine with how it is now. Just playing devils advocate on this one.

Xbox did that it just led to an increase in popularity for certain games purely because they give an easy 1000 just like they are known as easy platinums on Playstation.