NightfireOP 2017 年 8 月 30 日 下午 6:35
Refund Help - Steam
Hi Steam,

I purchased GTA 5 on Thursday and I've been requesting for a refund for the 3rd time (and was rejected). Your game monitor say I played the game for 3 hours, this isn't true. First off I've only spent an effective 45 minutes on the gameplay itself; I haven't played anywhere near the 3 hours you claimed; but even then whatever time I've spent was trying to config the game so that it runs smoothly and remain compliant with rockstar's no-mod rules. I've explained this to you guys in 2 separate refund requests but you guys keep denying my refund request as if it's robotically rejected. Also you guys don't even have an appeal process for situtations like this.

I don't know how else to tell you other than that I'm being flat-out honest here and I respectfully request for a refund.
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FFL2and3rocks 2017 年 8 月 30 日 下午 6:37 
It doesn't matter how much of your time was spent in-game. The limit is 2 hours. Imagine how many people would play for 3 or 5 hours or more, and then make up a lie about how they weren't really playing it.

Also we aren't Valve, this is just a user forum.
最後修改者:FFL2and3rocks; 2017 年 8 月 30 日 下午 6:37
Teksura 2017 年 8 月 30 日 下午 6:38 
It doesn't matter what you were doing while the app was running. The Steam client can only determine that it was running for 3 hours. You do not qualify for a refund and should stop spamming support with requests you know you do not qualify for. You've gotten your answer about the refund already.
Satoru 2017 年 8 月 30 日 下午 6:38 
3.3 hrs on record

You have more than 2 hours of playtime as recorded by steam

as such you are no longer eligible for a refund
Diff_1 2017 年 8 月 30 日 下午 7:13 
I feel for you, steam has the worst return/refund policy of any business, they used to have a decent one now they got greedy and I will not directly give them any of my money any more.

This will not help in this situation but my best advice is if you do buy games do NOT buy directly from steam, they have terrible prices on games anyways. Go to Bundle stars, Greenman gaming, humble bundle or even GOG and see if they have the game there before you even think about giving steam the money. For example greenman gaming has GTA V for 20% off right now which frankly is still a bit expensive for a 2 1/2 year old game. Even when steam has sales there is almost always someone selling the game far cheaper.

Anyways what problem are you having running the game, bad frame rates, game crashing? Maybe we can help or do you already have a forum thread/discussion open for that?
Snapjak 2017 年 8 月 30 日 下午 7:15 
Steam has one of the best return policies for any of the major digital distribution companies.
The old policy was much worse, so you're wrong.

引用自 Diff_1
I feel for you, steam has the worst return/refund policy of any business, they used to have a decent one now they got greedy and I will not directly give them any of my money any more.
Teksura 2017 年 8 月 30 日 下午 7:16 
引用自 Diff_1
I feel for you, steam has the worst return/refund policy of any business, they used to have a decent one now they got greedy and I will not directly give them any of my money any more.
Just for the sake of clarification here, the old refund policy which is being described here as "decent" was a much simpler "No refunds" policy. That is what they are talking about as the better policy. Seriously.



Compared to other online retailers who offer no refunds or, say Gamergate which outright denies refunds even when they qualify under their own terms, Steam has one of the best return policies out there.
最後修改者:Teksura; 2017 年 8 月 30 日 下午 7:19
NightfireOP 2017 年 8 月 30 日 下午 8:03 
引用自 Diff_1
I feel for you, steam has the worst return/refund policy of any business, they used to have a decent one now they got greedy and I will not directly give them any of my money any more.

This will not help in this situation but my best advice is if you do buy games do NOT buy directly from steam, they have terrible prices on games anyways. Go to Bundle stars, Greenman gaming, humble bundle or even GOG and see if they have the game there before you even think about giving steam the money. For example greenman gaming has GTA V for 20% off right now which frankly is still a bit expensive for a 2 1/2 year old game. Even when steam has sales there is almost always someone selling the game far cheaper.

Anyways what problem are you having running the game, bad frame rates, game crashing? Maybe we can help or do you already have a forum thread/discussion open for that?

my main problem is that i have a low-end computer that i was originally convinced that I could use some tweaks, mod, and lowering the specs so that i could get a decent framerate. as it turns out, normally tweaking does little to bring my vram usage to 512 mb and if i use mods online, i would be banned.

so i guess it's 2 folds, steam is very strict on their refund policy and rockstar is strict on their mod rules. this isn't like back in the csgo and tf2 days where one can download custom skins that can help their frame ratses.
Teksura 2017 年 8 月 30 日 下午 8:10 
Minimum system requirements are there for this purpose. If you just about meet them that's when you can get away with making it run with the settings turned down. If you don't meet them, your chances of making it work drop significantly. If you're aware that this is a problem you're going to face, first of all you really shouldn't be buying a game when you don't meet the minimum system requirements, but if you do anyway then you should be aware that you can't get a refund after you exceed 2 hours of playtime or 14 days since the purchase.
The Giving One 2017 年 8 月 30 日 下午 8:38 
引用自 Teksura
If you're aware that this is a problem you're going to face, first of all you really shouldn't be buying a game when you don't meet the minimum system requirements, but if you do anyway then you should be aware that you can't get a refund after you exceed 2 hours of playtime or 14 days since the purchase.
THIS.....

You can always get a better computer/upgrade your system and play the game. Just keep it and stop asking for a refund, please. The game is not the issue, according to what you, the OP, said.

Your computer is the issue. Therefore, refunding a perfectly functional product is illogical anyway.
shiel 2017 年 8 月 30 日 下午 8:55 
引用自 Diff_1
I feel for you, steam has the worst return/refund policy of any business, they used to have a decent one now they got greedy and I will not directly give them any of my money any more.

This will not help in this situation but my best advice is if you do buy games do NOT buy directly from steam, they have terrible prices on games anyways. Go to Bundle stars, Greenman gaming, humble bundle or even GOG and see if they have the game there before you even think about giving steam the money. For example greenman gaming has GTA V for 20% off right now which frankly is still a bit expensive for a 2 1/2 year old game. Even when steam has sales there is almost always someone selling the game far cheaper.

Anyways what problem are you having running the game, bad frame rates, game crashing? Maybe we can help or do you already have a forum thread/discussion open for that?

I won't even bother with your first paragraph as Teksura and Snapjak summed that up nicely.

So you recommend buying from a place where you can't get refunds at all? Interesting logic you have.

As for your last paragraph, that help should be sought on the game forum for GTAV itself, not here.

Diff_1 2017 年 8 月 30 日 下午 9:49 
I'm not going to quote most of you for space reasons but the ones saying the refund policy used to be worse are wrong, steam used to have a 14 day refund policy period without a hourly limit. I know because I used the 14 day policy in years past on a couple games after I was not able to get them to run at all or decently after a few days or even a week of trying.
Plus 2 hours, who legitimately is going to only troubleshoot something for 2 hours, you troubleshoot till you exhaust every reasonable solution like it seems the OP was doing.

@NightfireOP
As for GTA mods not sure what is and what is not allowed as far as them. I do know the game seems to be ripe with hackers from YT videos I've seen and seems Rockstar does not care about it as those youtubers post a constant supply of videos of them hacking. Way off topic though.

Since seems you are stuck with the game I suggest saving up for a new computer. You can buy the parts yourself for around $700-$800 to build a decent desktop that will surely run the game. Been building systems for myself and family for the past 10 years and have never looked back to buying prebult/OEM again. About half the money your paying for a prebuilt goes to them just putting it together for you.
shiel 2017 年 8 月 30 日 下午 9:53 
引用自 Diff_1
I'm not going to quote most of you for space reasons but the ones saying the refund policy used to be worse are wrong, steam used to have a 14 day refund policy period without a hourly limit. I know because I used the 14 day policy in years past on a couple games after I was not able to get them to run at all or decently after a few days or even a week of trying.
Plus 2 hours, who legitimately is going to only troubleshoot something for 2 hours, you troubleshoot till you exhaust every reasonable solution like it seems the OP was doing.
1. No, you're flat out wrong
2. If you can't get the game running in under 2hours then you need to make a choice, ignorance isn't an excuse for going over the limit.
The Giving One 2017 年 8 月 30 日 下午 9:55 
引用自 Diff_1
I'm not going to quote most of you for space reasons but the ones saying the refund policy used to be worse are wrong, steam used to have a 14 day refund policy period without a hourly limit.
That is incorrect. Before this policy, there was a general "no refunds" policy. For a while, I think they considered going back about 6 months on ownership of the game, but the 2 hour limit has always been there.
Spawn of Totoro 2017 年 8 月 30 日 下午 9:59 
引用自 Diff_1
I'm not going to quote most of you for space reasons but the ones saying the refund policy used to be worse are wrong, steam used to have a 14 day refund policy period without a hourly limit. I know because I used the 14 day policy in years past on a couple games after I was not able to get them to run at all or decently after a few days or even a week of trying.
Plus 2 hours, who legitimately is going to only troubleshoot something for 2 hours, you troubleshoot till you exhaust every reasonable solution like it seems the OP was doing.

No. Steam had a no refund policy before the new refund system was added. Any refunds they game during that time were exceptions.

There was never a blanket two week refund, any reason, on Steam.

Adding a key from out side of Steam means you get no refund, so that is bad advice as it limits the users options if the game does not work.
最後修改者:Spawn of Totoro; 2017 年 8 月 30 日 下午 10:00
NightfireOP 2017 年 8 月 31 日 上午 5:54 
Some of you guys are more than willing to throw the book at me and from a legal perspective I totally understand, I fell outside that 2 hour window hence I no longer qualify for a refund. However let me give you the quote from Steam's refund policy:

*quote* Valve will, upon request via help.steampowered.com, issue a refund for any title that is requested within 14 days of purchase and has been played for less than 2 hours. Even if you fall outside of the refund rules we've described, you can submit a request and we'll take a look at it. *unquote*

That last sentence, even if you fall outside the refund rules, they still encourage me to submit a request. If they weren't going to be lenient at all why bother adding that last sentence, why not just say "no exceptions?" I have no problem with a policy that says no exceptions, but when they add a sentence like that and give people false hope that there's wiggle room to negotiate for a refund it's deceptive, and plus it's not good use on Steam's time as it just means that their refund requests are just going to be spammed up.

That's why I asked for help here on the steam forum, but actually I thought this was a place for a Steam administrator or someone who worked for Steam to help out. So far, looks like this is a members only forum.
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