Citizen Cook 2022 年 3 月 14 日 下午 3:41
Will Steam OS ever make Windows obsolete for gaming?
I have a Steam Deck on preorder. Tons of games in my library are not supported but I desperately want to say goodbye to Windows once and for all. Do you think the day will ever comes when every game on Steams runs flawlessly on Steam OS?
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nullable 2022 年 3 月 15 日 上午 10:38 
引用自 my new friend
引用自 Citizen Cook
I seem to recall Valve saying that they intend to get ever Steam game playable on Steam Deck and every game that isn’t will be treated like a bug that needs to be fixed.
Well, that won't happen for many reasons and they know it.

In the same way one can't fix every bug in a system, but you still make an effort to prioritize and fix bugs for as long as the system exists. Kinda just depends how you interpret the claim and how black and white you view it.

I mean so they may never get around to focusing on Daikatana, sad day for all the rabid Daikatana fans who were looking forward to playing it on the Deck... other more recent/popular games will get priority of course.
Sazzouu 2022 年 3 月 15 日 上午 10:44 
For me it did
crunchyfrog 2022 年 3 月 15 日 上午 11:47 
引用自 Γαῖα
Microsoft has a massive head start but its not impossible that one day a system will come along that gains more favour with the consumer audience.
Yup it absolutely does happen and history is littered with big monopolistic businesses and organizations falling foul of this. But it has to have quite a number of factors to address though.

It certainly ain't going to happen how the OP thinks. It takes a massive sea change that affects EVERYTHING. So in this case, it would have to be something that encompasses and makes it easy for businesses of all stripes to get on board with, gamers, science, and so on.

The banking sector, for example, work on older versions of windows, usually because simply stability and security is tantamount. The problem here is that all these different customers have different needs and goals, and unless they are all addressed, you may get gamers interested, but piss off all the science arm.

And that ain't going to fly.
IFIYGD 2022 年 3 月 15 日 下午 1:51 
Highly unlikely, IMHO.
For gaming- Windows has an edge over Mac. Mac has an edge over every Linux Distro that is suitable for gaming right now. Linux /Steam OS has to overcome the gap with Mac/OSX first, then Windows. And I don't see that happening for some time.
[N]ebsun 2022 年 3 月 15 日 下午 2:51 
引用自 Citizen Cook
I desperately want to say goodbye to Windows once and for all. Do you think the day will ever comes when every game on Steams runs flawlessly on Steam OS?

I hope one day gaming on Linux becomes as popular as gaming on Windows... for now, Linux has a very small gaming user base and small desktop user market share.

Windows is used for desktops pretty much everywhere in almost every business, which introduces a large amount of people to Windows - and people tend to stick with what they know and use.

Game developers make games for the masses - Windows is easy to target both for profit, and for ease of development.

With Windows being the target for development, you have to rely on things like Proton... which have come a long way to bringing gaming to Linux, but there is still a long way to go.
Histfire 2022 年 3 月 15 日 下午 8:41 
引用自 Citizen Cook
引用自 Khai-FX

I wouldn't bother with 11. I decided to and well, it's just more revocation of control, more baked in ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and if you want to get rid of it, more ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about. Beyond that it is functionally identical to Windows 7/10. They even took away Drag & Drop between apps in Windows 11 and are adding it back later LOL. And by took away, I mean it was never in Windows 11 to begin with, despite it being in prior Windows OSes.

If you have no proprietary software (not dependent on Windows) and don't have a massive library with third party launchers, Linux may be your freedom. It's sad that for many, it isn't. Always worth a try though.

Pretty much my entire collection is with Steam. I love the Steam tools and functionality. As i say, I would love to say goodbye to windows once and for all, i just hope Valve are as committed as they seem to making it happen. Microsoft’s monopolistic practices need to end and i think, personally, that they are holding back innovation on PC. I seem to recall Valve saying that they intend to get ever Steam game playable on Steam Deck and every game that isn’t will be treated like a bug that needs to be fixed.

It's a shame because the monopoly of Microsoft will continue to grow. They're buying lots of developers out, revoking control on their OSes, pushing Game Pass down your throat all the time, shovelling Edge in your face every 5 seconds, their OS installs have crazy ads, their in-OS telemetry which is on by default .which most people don't turn off. is excessive and out of control and Azure is on the up. Not to forget mandatory MS accounts to use the OS, baked in OS pre-installed bloat, adverts in system functions and Microsoft testing the waters for adding text ads in File Explorer. Once you're in with Microsoft you can't really get out unless you get out very very early on.

I've never tried SteamOS but maybe that's worth you trying. You have to decide early whether or not to abandon Windows OS in favour of something else. The longer you leave it the harder it stings. If you stay with Windows, you have to decide whether it will bother you if Microsoft adds more advertising to something you paid for, the OS being treated as a live service like a game, your freedom to operate the system as you see fit being taken away, bloatware being added all the time, ads, ads and more ads, and whatever else they come up with 10 years from now. Decide early.

I wish I had stuck with Linux years ago before amassing a great library of games and software dependent on Windows.

♥♥♥♥ Microsoft. They want to own the PC OS space and gaming in it's entirety.
Viking2121 2022 年 3 月 15 日 下午 9:18 
Linux in General might make windows obsolete with more support and API's if Microsoft keeps doing what they are doing, but I doubt it'll be in my life time, and I doubt Steam OS will ever be dominate enough to take the crown as its geared for gaming and not much of anything else.
Histfire 2022 年 3 月 15 日 下午 10:07 
引用自 Viking2121
Linux in General might make windows obsolete with more support and API's if Microsoft keeps doing what they are doing, but I doubt it'll be in my life time, and I doubt Steam OS will ever be dominate enough to take the crown as its geared for gaming and not much of anything else.

The problem is, is there's tons of people who don't care what Microsoft do. Old timers, the young & dumb who just live in the moment. Apathy and laziness is sadly not enough to make people mass migrate. Most will simply suck it up and accept it. I mean, look at kids now days, they're used to all the baked in ads in everything and microtransactions are the norm. Assuming Microsoft gradually creeps bullshittery into their OS gradually, people will either fail to notice or moan briefly before carrying on. Just look at how Google and Chrome has essentially given all people's data to one company on the internet. Messed up, yet if you point that out to most people they'll go "oh well".

Nobody cares sadly. Microsoft will continue to ruin the desktop PC and I'll end up having to quit gaming in future after migrating to Linux (yes Proton and WINE exists but come on, most of my ♥♥♥♥ won't work properly and we all know that).

And you're right about SteamOS. I think SteamOS is a drop in the ocean tbh and if it doesn't widely serve a function beyond gaming then many of us have no use for it.
Electric Cupcake 2022 年 3 月 15 日 下午 11:05 
God willing.
Elucidator 2022 年 3 月 16 日 上午 1:37 
引用自 Citizen Cook
Do you think the day will ever comes when every game on Steams runs flawlessly on Steam OS?
That is like asking whether a Nintendo 64 game would run flawlessly on an emulator.

there will be bugs, but it will likely come to a point that any linux system will be able to run Steam games, so long Steam is willing to pay for development of wine and proton, or find alternatives.

and maybe game developers themselves will try to make it run natively.

Why am I positive?
Because microsoft is being too toxic for its consumers, especially as of late.
and they won't stand for this.
especially after their experience with the severe amount of ads and spamming of ads in their faces and email, etc, everywhere...
and microsoft has prevented blocking certain microsoft links in the hosts file (directly connected to the driver), meaning microsoft will show people ads.....
in explorer... yes
and this will be extremely frustrating to people, frustrating enough that they question their sanity for paying 180 euroes.
and in all likelihood, a lot of people will hop over to GNU, the linux kernel, freebsd or something amongst these lines.
with a bigger audience there, and likely developers going there as well because they don't want ads either, more things will be made for linux.

edit: (1 hour later)
I scratched a part because, I cannot find the articles I first read about when windows 11 was basically just released. I therefore can't prove this. It, may not be true.
that said I can find evidence that at least microsoft tries to prevent you from blocking microsoft (claiming the hosts file is infected and cannot be saved).
最後修改者:Elucidator; 2022 年 3 月 16 日 上午 3:35
ReBoot 2022 年 3 月 16 日 上午 2:01 
引用自 Elucidator
with a bigger audience there, and likely developers going there as well because they don't want ads either, more things will be made for linux.
Audience is one part of this. Another one is oeppeness towards developers. To many of us (software dev myself), binary stabiltiy of the underlying OS platform is a huge boon and (desktop) Linux has historically been truly abyssumal in that regard.

SteamOS capitalzes on Windows' binary stability through the means of Proton. Which is, as a matter of fact, a fantastic solution! You get to benefit from Microsoft's efforts in this direction, while you never have to touch Windows on your machine. You benefit, Microsoft doesn't, it's a win-win all right.

My point is, running Windows games emulated is a perfectly viable solution in practice.
最後修改者:ReBoot; 2022 年 3 月 16 日 上午 2:02
cinedine 2022 年 3 月 16 日 上午 4:39 
引用自 Khai-FX
It's a shame because the monopoly of Microsoft will continue to grow. They're buying lots of developers out, revoking control on their OSes, pushing Game Pass down your throat all the time, shovelling Edge in your face every 5 seconds, their OS installs have crazy ads, their in-OS telemetry which is on by default .which most people don't turn off. is excessive and out of control and Azure is on the up. Not to forget mandatory MS accounts to use the OS, baked in OS pre-installed bloat, adverts in system functions and Microsoft testing the waters for adding text ads in File Explorer. Once you're in with Microsoft you can't really get out unless you get out very very early on.

Never ever seen an advertisment in Windows. The times Edge is "forced" on me is pretty much only for viewing PDFs. Which it does a good job for. It's even a god browser and certainly doesn't force ads on your start-up screen like Opera or pointless functionality like Firefox.
Do you know where I'Ve constantly see ads though? On our Ubuntu systems.

And fun fact: KDE introduced an option for ads also. Which might just as well be used because people like to make money from their work.
ReBoot 2022 年 3 月 16 日 上午 5:23 
引用自 cinedine
引用自 Khai-FX
It's a shame because the monopoly of Microsoft will continue to grow. They're buying lots of developers out, revoking control on their OSes, pushing Game Pass down your throat all the time, shovelling Edge in your face every 5 seconds, their OS installs have crazy ads, their in-OS telemetry which is on by default .which most people don't turn off. is excessive and out of control and Azure is on the up. Not to forget mandatory MS accounts to use the OS, baked in OS pre-installed bloat, adverts in system functions and Microsoft testing the waters for adding text ads in File Explorer. Once you're in with Microsoft you can't really get out unless you get out very very early on.

Never ever seen an advertisment in Windows. The times Edge is "forced" on me is pretty much only for viewing PDFs. Which it does a good job for. It's even a god browser and certainly doesn't force ads on your start-up screen like Opera or pointless functionality like Firefox.
Do you know where I'Ve constantly see ads though? On our Ubuntu systems.

And fun fact: KDE introduced an option for ads also. Which might just as well be used because people like to make money from their work.
Well, the Windows start menu got ads, excuse me, "suggestions", but they're easy to turn off. Last time I saw Windows' OOBE, it even lets you disable them right there.
crunchyfrog 2022 年 3 月 16 日 上午 10:29 
引用自 Khai-FX
引用自 Citizen Cook

Pretty much my entire collection is with Steam. I love the Steam tools and functionality. As i say, I would love to say goodbye to windows once and for all, i just hope Valve are as committed as they seem to making it happen. Microsoft’s monopolistic practices need to end and i think, personally, that they are holding back innovation on PC. I seem to recall Valve saying that they intend to get ever Steam game playable on Steam Deck and every game that isn’t will be treated like a bug that needs to be fixed.

It's a shame because the monopoly of Microsoft will continue to grow. They're buying lots of developers out, revoking control on their OSes, pushing Game Pass down your throat all the time, shovelling Edge in your face every 5 seconds, their OS installs have crazy ads, their in-OS telemetry which is on by default .which most people don't turn off. is excessive and out of control and Azure is on the up. Not to forget mandatory MS accounts to use the OS, baked in OS pre-installed bloat, adverts in system functions and Microsoft testing the waters for adding text ads in File Explorer. Once you're in with Microsoft you can't really get out unless you get out very very early on.

I've never tried SteamOS but maybe that's worth you trying. You have to decide early whether or not to abandon Windows OS in favour of something else. The longer you leave it the harder it stings. If you stay with Windows, you have to decide whether it will bother you if Microsoft adds more advertising to something you paid for, the OS being treated as a live service like a game, your freedom to operate the system as you see fit being taken away, bloatware being added all the time, ads, ads and more ads, and whatever else they come up with 10 years from now. Decide early.

I wish I had stuck with Linux years ago before amassing a great library of games and software dependent on Windows.

♥♥♥♥ Microsoft. They want to own the PC OS space and gaming in it's entirety.
The thing is buying out devs isn't the big thing relatively you think it is.

It's the fact that Windows is used by most businesses - banks, hospitals, and governments.

THAT amount of influence isn't going to be knocked easily.
Histfire 2022 年 3 月 16 日 上午 11:29 
引用自 crunchyfrog
引用自 Khai-FX

It's a shame because the monopoly of Microsoft will continue to grow. They're buying lots of developers out, revoking control on their OSes, pushing Game Pass down your throat all the time, shovelling Edge in your face every 5 seconds, their OS installs have crazy ads, their in-OS telemetry which is on by default .which most people don't turn off. is excessive and out of control and Azure is on the up. Not to forget mandatory MS accounts to use the OS, baked in OS pre-installed bloat, adverts in system functions and Microsoft testing the waters for adding text ads in File Explorer. Once you're in with Microsoft you can't really get out unless you get out very very early on.

I've never tried SteamOS but maybe that's worth you trying. You have to decide early whether or not to abandon Windows OS in favour of something else. The longer you leave it the harder it stings. If you stay with Windows, you have to decide whether it will bother you if Microsoft adds more advertising to something you paid for, the OS being treated as a live service like a game, your freedom to operate the system as you see fit being taken away, bloatware being added all the time, ads, ads and more ads, and whatever else they come up with 10 years from now. Decide early.

I wish I had stuck with Linux years ago before amassing a great library of games and software dependent on Windows.

♥♥♥♥ Microsoft. They want to own the PC OS space and gaming in it's entirety.
The thing is buying out devs isn't the big thing relatively you think it is.

It's the fact that Windows is used by most businesses - banks, hospitals, and governments.

THAT amount of influence isn't going to be knocked easily.

Exactly, which is why migration of the masses is almost zero.

And yes ads and whatnot and extras are able to be disabled now (some are, some aren't), but that's now. Where's Windows years from now? Windows 11 is a farcry from 7s glory days.

We will see. All in good time! >:D
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