steam sale exploit

[Diogenes of 2Fort]

shut down steam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O-UVGQ_Pjg

[Akakun]

I made a refund on a purchase I regreeted on this sales and, as expected, the points from it got revocated.

What I'm trying to say is that Valve is no that stupid. They can track every transaction easily and revert anything they want (they actually did it last year). Even if this "exploit" is true, once Valve notices about it all what they need to do is revert all the points obtained by this inusual behaviour... and maybe ban some accounts.

TL;DR: If you want waste a lot of time (and probably risk your account), go for it. And remember, you can't withdraw money from the wallet...

[cinedine]

I used to like this channel. It got down the dump though a long time ago. Mostly by using outright cheats to claim the games are "broken". And in terms of sales being "broken" it's mere clickbait and uninformed half-knowledge leaving out important facts that break his narrative.

Points of refunded games WILL be removed. Regarding the cards ... good luck keeping your account open.

[Γαῖα]

Correct me if im wrong but its perfectly legal to own more than one account. He is merely gifting a game (whose account is irrelevant ). He is merely denying the gift and the gifters account gets reimbursed. All this is allowed by steam.

Now as for the points not going, thats on steam as its not in the steam agreement to inform them they have messed up.
Whether or not steam claim them back, i fail to see how even in the uploaders mind, how this merits an account closed/suspended under the steam agreement.

If you know and can link to, better, please do say.

[Ogami]

That channel is GARBAGE.
He already spread lies and half truths around the last sales.
Crappy clickbait videos.

[cinedine]

Originally posted by Γαῖα:

Correct me if im wrong but its perfectly legal to own more than one account. He is merely gifting a game (whose account is irrelevant ). He is merely denying the gift and the gifters account gets reimbursed. All this is allowed by steam.

Now as for the points not going, thats on steam as its not in the steam agreement to inform them they have messed up.
Whether or not steam claim them back, i fail to see how even in the uploaders mind, how this merits an account closed/suspended under the steam agreement.

If you know and can link to, better, please do say.

Legal, of course.
It's also perfectly legal for any company to cease doing business with you as long as the reasons are not discriminatory. "Severly exploiting mechanics to turn a profit" is a very good reason to do so.

[Teksura]

One thing I noticed is true though, and has held up for years. In nearly every sale for as long as refunds have been a thing here, there has always been at least 1 game which I have bought and refunded. Not out of any attempt to exploit anything, I'm trying to get the game to run using a Wine program and sometimes it doesn't work.

Every single time, I'm surprised to see I never have the steam sale cards revoked.

[JPMcMillen]

Originally posted by Teksura:

One thing I noticed is true though, and has held up for years. In nearly every sale for as long as refunds have been a thing here, there has always been at least 1 game which I have bought and refunded. Not out of any attempt to exploit anything, I'm trying to get the game to run using a Wine program and sometimes it doesn't work.

Every single time, I'm surprised to see I never have the steam sale cards revoked.

It would be kinda hard with purchases for yourself, unless they put some kind of market/trade/gem hold on the card until you either play the game for 2+ hours or own the game for 2+ weeks, essentially not being in the automatic refund window.

As for gifted games, they could just trade/market/gem hold the cards till the person accepted the game. If it was returned or timed out, you would lose the cards.

[Edifier]

Originally posted by Ogami:

That channel is GARBAGE.
He already spread lies and half truths around the last sales.
Crappy clickbait videos.

That was more about him not knowing how the event worked, which I might add a ton of other people didn't know either because it was so widely asked about on the forums.
So that was understandable.

This one? Not so much though. Wouldn't say the channel is garbage because of those two videos as plenty of videos of his demonstrate glitches in a game that does not work as intended.

[Teksura]

Originally posted by JPMcMillen:

Originally posted by Teksura:

One thing I noticed is true though, and has held up for years. In nearly every sale for as long as refunds have been a thing here, there has always been at least 1 game which I have bought and refunded. Not out of any attempt to exploit anything, I'm trying to get the game to run using a Wine program and sometimes it doesn't work.

Every single time, I'm surprised to see I never have the steam sale cards revoked.

It would be kinda hard with purchases for yourself, unless they put some kind of market/trade/gem hold on the card until you either play the game for 2+ hours or own the game for 2+ weeks, essentially not being in the automatic refund window.

As for gifted games, they could just trade/market/gem hold the cards till the person accepted the game. If it was returned or timed out, you would lose the cards.

I mean, for the gifted game, I'd say it's easy enough. Let's say you don't get anything until the gift has been accepted. This means in order to do the exploit, you are at the mercy of the Steam Refund system which already has conditions to deny refunds for abuse.

I don't think a 2 week "non-tradable non-marketable" period on the cards earned through the steam store would be very popular. It would negatively impact more people than problems it would resolve. Could maybe get away with setting it to drop cards as you play the game, or alternatively drop them automatically after 2 weeks, but I think that messes with the model. The sale event isn't really about playing games, it's about buying them. The sale cards encourage this in every way.

But, ehh, I think the easier way is to just have multiple unlimited steam accounts (easy enough to do, heck I think I unlimited my alt account by just buying a gift for my main account. It's been a while, I can't remember.) and just cycle them all through the discovery queue every day of the sale for the extra cards, then trade them to your main. That might actually be why we now only get 1 per day instead of the usual 3.

[Vagrant]

Originally posted by Ogami:

That channel is GARBAGE.
He already spread lies and half truths around the last sales.
Crappy clickbait videos.

Lol what are you saying? Both of his steam sale videos worked exactly how he said and 100% were sale-breaking exploits.

[crunchyfrog]

Originally posted by Ogami:

That channel is GARBAGE.
He already spread lies and half truths around the last sales.
Crappy clickbait videos.

No he actually didn't.

The problem is that you CANNOT affect the one thing videos suffer from - TIME.

At the time he was doing those things, they WERE possible. But by the time the video goes up on youtube, Valve have often fixed the exploits.

For example, this particular issue seems to have only got fixed in the last 24 hours or so, judging by the posts made on these forums.

And besides, you're making a terrible logical fallacy there. Someon can make a whole series of lies, but it does NOT affect the case of the next statement, because (say it with me )CLAIMS ALWAYS STAND ON THEIR OWN MERITS.

It doesn't matter who says them, when, how, how often, or anything else.

[𝕙.𝕓𝕒𝕣𝕜𝕒𝕤]

Judging from the history of sales events and the recent mess with the points revoked after giving them to their customers it's safe to say that Valve hasn't the sharpest tools in the shed as their employees.

[cinedine]

Originally posted by crunchyfrog:

Originally posted by Ogami:

That channel is GARBAGE.
He already spread lies and half truths around the last sales.
Crappy clickbait videos.

No he actually didn't.

The problem is that you CANNOT affect the one thing videos suffer from - TIME.

At the time he was doing those things, they WERE possible. But by the time the video goes up on youtube, Valve have often fixed the exploits.

Nope.
Last sale's "unlimited points" completely ignored the actual limit. It was only true in so far as you could easily use Stardew Valley to get the points up to your limit. Or you could turn in achievements which was far more efficient.
This sale ignores that points will be revoked eventually. And whatever you spend those points on got revoked, too.

As for sales cards: that's simply putting your account into jeopardy. If you use refunds, you will lose your privilige. If you misuse gifts, your account might be locked completely.

And it's obviously still click baity and intellectually dishonest to not give a clear notification that this has been fixed in the meantime.

As for his other videos, as I said earlier, I stopped watching them when he used cheats. Like his "100 stats man" ... No ♥♥♥♥, a game is not balanced around a maxedout a character that was never possible to be maxed out.

[Vagrant]

Originally posted by cinedine:

Originally posted by crunchyfrog:

No he actually didn't.

The problem is that you CANNOT affect the one thing videos suffer from - TIME.

At the time he was doing those things, they WERE possible. But by the time the video goes up on youtube, Valve have often fixed the exploits.

Nope.
Last sale's "unlimited points" completely ignored the actual limit. It was only true in so far as you could easily use Stardew Valley to get the points up to your limit. Or you could turn in achievements which was far more efficient.
This sale ignores that points will be revoked eventually. And whatever you spend those points on got revoked, too.

As for sales cards: that's simply putting your account into jeopardy. If you use refunds, you will lose your privilige. If you misuse gifts, your account might be locked completely.

And it's obviously still click baity and intellectually dishonest to not give a clear notification that this has been fixed in the meantime.

As for his other videos, as I said earlier, I stopped watching them when he used cheats. Like his "100 stats man" ... No ♥♥♥♥, a game is not balanced around a maxedout a character that was never possible to be maxed out.

You mean the series that he never attempted to label as an exploit series? LOL. Is he not allowed to expand his content? What a joke.

Also, potential consequences have literally nothing to do with the fact that the exploits CAN be done. You're grasping at straws because you don't like the guy.

[JPMcMillen]

Originally posted by Teksura:

I don't think a 2 week "non-tradable non-marketable" period on the cards earned through the steam store would be very popular. It would negatively impact more people than problems it would resolve. Could maybe get away with setting it to drop cards as you play the game, or alternatively drop them automatically after 2 weeks, but I think that messes with the model. The sale event isn't really about playing games, it's about buying them. The sale cards encourage this in every way..

You misunderstood me. You don't have to wait two weeks if you play the game for 2+ hours. Essentially, the hold is released as soon as you are outside the automatic refund window. Which means that if you don't play the game, yes you would have to wait 2 weeks to do something with the card. But seeing as how the cards are valid for a month after the sales event, you'd still have a little over two weeks to sell/trade a card you got for buying the game on the last day of the sale and not playing it.