Krogg 2018 年 7 月 19 日 下午 5:45
What will happen if steam shuts down?
What if steam shut down one day? What would happen to the games we own? I just want some thoughts on this, I randomly thought about it this morning and decided to make this discussion.
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wuddih 2018 年 7 月 20 日 上午 5:20 
there will be no situation where this happens "over night", except any world apocalyptic scenario and then there will be other problems then your games.

story time:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desura

was the "Steam for indies".
after the owner filed for bankruptcy the whole thing continued to be online for more then a year.
everyone had enough time to download their stuff.

what the current owner of the stuff promised [www.oneplay.com]and didn't do for the last 2 years is not so fine but most people will and should not care at this point. i certainly dont care about my 500 games i had on desura.

something like this will never happen to Steam. Steam is too big. imagine desura would be microsoft, highly unlikely that the new owner of it would want to silence the marketing for it like oneplay did with desura.
Quint the Alligator Snapper 2018 年 7 月 20 日 上午 9:21 
引用自 gugnihr
Not to mention that every game playable offline could be still played probably. You just need to download a Steam installer and keep it along with a backup of your games (it is possible to create a backup) if you are concerned. Even if Steam will shut down you could install Steam and all your games and play them. I only like single player games :) of course it won't be possible with online only games but I don't care about them anyway
Steam's Offline Mode doesn't always work.
Krogg 2018 年 7 月 20 日 上午 11:10 
引用自 Zero
I wouldn't worry. Why would Steam shutdown? It's like wondering what happens if google dies.


The chance of steam shutting down within our gaming life not likely. by time steam goes (or rather if it ever goes) none of us will care:P

引用自 Todd Howard
I doubt that will happen in our lifetime. It's practically the "home for PC gamers". There's no sign or reason that it would start dying out in the next decades.

Honestly, I just worry... Even if I know something is extremely unlikely, I still worry about it. Like the world ending in my lifetime before I've lived life to the fullest. Or robots taking over the world and killing all humans. I think I have some kind of inrrational anxiety of everything...
Quint the Alligator Snapper 2018 年 7 月 20 日 上午 11:21 
引用自 Swordsoulreaver
引用自 Zero
I wouldn't worry. Why would Steam shutdown? It's like wondering what happens if google dies.


The chance of steam shutting down within our gaming life not likely. by time steam goes (or rather if it ever goes) none of us will care:P

引用自 Todd Howard
I doubt that will happen in our lifetime. It's practically the "home for PC gamers". There's no sign or reason that it would start dying out in the next decades.

Honestly, I just worry... Even if I know something is extremely unlikely, I still worry about it. Like the world ending in my lifetime before I've lived life to the fullest. Or robots taking over the world and killing all humans. I think I have some kind of inrrational anxiety of everything...
Of these three things, Steam going out of business is the most likely (or least unlikely).

The world is unlikely to end (though I can't speak for how well you yourself will survive any particular event); there are some potential anthropogenic or natural catastrophes that may make life difficult and annoying, but the world itself is unlikely to stop existing.

Robots taking over the world would require someone to develop AI that's half-competent at existing outside of any defined user environment.
secuda 2018 年 7 月 20 日 上午 11:56 
Like i said in a different thread. If steam shuts down, then pc gaming would be in worse shape then it was during 2000 or 2010. Meaning even hardwear market would have taking a hit as well.
gugnihr 2018 年 7 月 20 日 下午 12:40 
引用自 Swordsoulreaver






Honestly, I just worry... Even if I know something is extremely unlikely, I still worry about it. Like the world ending in my lifetime before I've lived life to the fullest. Or robots taking over the world and killing all humans. I think I have some kind of inrrational anxiety of everything...
Of these three things, Steam going out of business is the most likely (or least unlikely).

The world is unlikely to end (though I can't speak for how well you yourself will survive any particular event); there are some potential anthropogenic or natural catastrophes that may make life difficult and annoying, but the world itself is unlikely to stop existing.

Robots taking over the world would require someone to develop AI that's half-competent at existing outside of any defined user environment.

Imo the most likely to happen of these three things is robots taking over the world. Too many people recently are excited about AI and don't think about the consequences. They think robopts will be friendly, but we use robots like we would use slaves, if a robot really become intelligent it is very likely that it will want to kill us for revenge, and too many people are trying to push the boundaries of AI lately.
Quint the Alligator Snapper 2018 年 7 月 20 日 下午 12:49 
引用自 gugnihr
Of these three things, Steam going out of business is the most likely (or least unlikely).

The world is unlikely to end (though I can't speak for how well you yourself will survive any particular event); there are some potential anthropogenic or natural catastrophes that may make life difficult and annoying, but the world itself is unlikely to stop existing.

Robots taking over the world would require someone to develop AI that's half-competent at existing outside of any defined user environment.

Imo the most likely to happen of these three things is robots taking over the world. Too many people recently are excited about AI and don't think about the consequences. They think robopts will be friendly, but we use robots like we would use slaves, if a robot really become intelligent it is very likely that it will want to kill us for revenge, and too many people are trying to push the boundaries of AI lately.
Methinks you've been reading/watching one too many robot apocalypse sci-fi stories.

First, rogue robots are less likely than rogue computers. Robots take a lot more resources to build than computers, and are also less resilient due to having more moving parts.
Second, the world is a lot more complex than AIs have been able to handle so far. AIs are good at perfecting a limited set of tasks. Even if that task is information retrieval, it's simply doing what humans can do but just a lot faster and a lot more consistently.

The more likely problem is that an AI system will draw conclusions that humans will rely on improperly to make crucial decisions poorly.

An AI has no revenge motive unless you specifically give it one, or give it something that could spawn one, such as specifically teaching it to respond to negative stimuli with a more negative response, and even then it'll still be limited by its experiences. If an AI runs amok solely on its own, it'll be it making arbitrary/random decisions on things and being placed into the capacity to act on those decisions by...humans.
最后由 Quint the Alligator Snapper 编辑于; 2018 年 7 月 20 日 下午 12:52
gugnihr 2018 年 7 月 20 日 下午 1:29 
Imo it is sufficient that an AI will become self-aware to spawn every revenge motive I can think of. I just hope that nobody will ever be able to create something like that and I hope that people will become much more aware of this potential problem soon, so that nobody will desire to create something like that either, because right now I see many people excited about the idea of robots that can be the same as a human is and take it for granted that they will be friendly without any real reason. They would have no reason at all to be friendly and every reason to be hostile instead since for us they have always been tools.
最后由 gugnihr 编辑于; 2018 年 7 月 20 日 下午 1:30
Washell 2018 年 7 月 20 日 下午 2:49 
The chance of steam shutting down within our gaming life not likely. by time steam goes (or rather if it ever goes) none of us will care:P
Steam could be irrelevant and extinct within 10 years if they miss the switch to cloud gaming.

Just look at gamestores, bookstores, electronics stores, toystores, big general department stores, and so on what happens to companies that miss the step to the next distribution method.
ksn0va 2018 年 7 月 20 日 下午 2:55 
引用自 aiusepsi
引用自 ezwip
Gabe's worth 5.5 billion and can do whatever he wants. We can only hope that he wouldn't betray us after all of the riches that we've contributed to. There are no assurances though it's just blind trust in the man with a thousand knives.
It should be pointed out that the estimates of Gabe's wealth in the press are mostly based on the value of Valve, and him owning ~50% of it. If, hypothetically, Steam was no longer a viable business and they had to shut it down, Valve would be worth significantly less, and Gabe's estimated wealth would drop commensurately.

There's no real way of knowing what his wealth is if you exclude his ownership stake in Valve, but it's much more likely millions than billions.
You'd have to consider that Valve is not a publicly traded company. His money's not tied up in shareholders. If his worth is really 5 billion, he'd still be worth 1-2 billion.
cSg|mc-Hotsauce 2018 年 7 月 20 日 下午 2:58 
He owns over half of Valve. His net worth is still ~5.5 billion.

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gugnihr 2018 年 7 月 20 日 下午 3:26 
引用自 Washell
The chance of steam shutting down within our gaming life not likely. by time steam goes (or rather if it ever goes) none of us will care:P
Steam could be irrelevant and extinct within 10 years if they miss the switch to cloud gaming.

Just look at gamestores, bookstores, electronics stores, toystores, big general department stores, and so on what happens to companies that miss the step to the next distribution method.

Except the fact that cloud gaming is not the next distribution method. You don't even actually get the game, you can only play it as long as you pay the subscription, this is not even distribution literally, and most places in the world don't have a internet connection fast and stable enough, and won't have it that soon. And even when fast enough connections will be everywhere passionate gamers will still want to buy their games and have them in their collection.
最后由 gugnihr 编辑于; 2018 年 7 月 20 日 下午 3:26
Rzep 2018 年 8 月 15 日 下午 11:21 
Valve said in the past they have a plan for that day and you won't lose access to your library, but it is Valve so in reality you will lose everthing.

That is unless, a governing body steps in and forces Valve to do something. The chances of that happening in the US are slim to none so the only hope would be in the EU.

It is safe to say that this issue will be treated like the refund system which was put off as long as it was possible to.
Black Blade 2018 年 8 月 16 日 上午 12:23 
引用自 Rzep
Valve said in the past they have a plan for that day and you won't lose access to your library, but it is Valve so in reality you will lose everthing.

That is unless, a governing body steps in and forces Valve to do something. The chances of that happening in the US are slim to none so the only hope would be in the EU.

It is safe to say that this issue will be treated like the refund system which was put off as long as it was possible to.
First if any goverment body will get on it if they close down they be too slow anyway

But beside that whats makes you say Valve will not do it becouse there Valve?

Also lucky chances of them closing is as low as the govement doing anything ha?
最后由 Black Blade 编辑于; 2018 年 8 月 16 日 上午 12:24
Rzep 2018 年 8 月 16 日 上午 12:57 
引用自 Black Blade
引用自 Rzep
Valve said in the past they have a plan for that day and you won't lose access to your library, but it is Valve so in reality you will lose everthing.

That is unless, a governing body steps in and forces Valve to do something. The chances of that happening in the US are slim to none so the only hope would be in the EU.

It is safe to say that this issue will be treated like the refund system which was put off as long as it was possible to.
First if any goverment body will get on it if they close down they be too slow anyway

But beside that whats makes you say Valve will not do it becouse there Valve?

Also lucky chances of them closing is as low as the govement doing anything ha?

"Valve will not do it becouse their Valve"

What I mean that as far as I can see Valve does not care. Valve is using Steam to get all of the money right now. They are not planning for the future. They do not make meaningful improvements until they are forced to do so. An example of this is the new chat which is the direct result of the massive growth of Discord.

As for government, like I said, there is no chance of the US government getting involved. In comparison to some other countires consumer protection in the US is very poor.

That being said, the situation in Europe is a bit different. A recent example of this is the recent change Steam made in its privacy policy. If you weren't following the story too much you would have most likely noticed something like your profile becoming private. That is the result of the GDPR regulation that came into full effect on May 25. Even though it is mainly EU made for EU citizens. Businesses from outside Europe that wanted to do business in Europe had to make changes to adhere to the new rules.

In the future I am sure that Steam will be in some deep doodoo because they do not check what is on the store. Recently there were instances of hidden crypto miners in Steam games. Imagine that instead of a crypto miner you have a haphazard keylogger or other program to gather user information. I think that in the future the EU will use the GDPR to flex its muscle and one of the targets will be Valve, because their lax quality control also results in lax protection of personal data.
最后由 Rzep 编辑于; 2018 年 8 月 16 日 上午 1:05
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