Cerberus 2019 年 9 月 8 日 下午 2:10
Are spoilers allowed in reviews?
I saw nothing about whether spoilers are allowed in reviews. On sites like Goodreads, I believe they are not (someone will make sure the spoiling parts get marked as such, and collapsed). Especially for adventure games, a single sentence could spoil the plot of a game big time, possibly even rendering part of the gameplay obsolete. Are spoilers allowed?
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Drakensson 2019 年 9 月 8 日 下午 10:39 
Personally I'm not that affected by written spoilers. The emotional effect from experiencing a moment in-game trumps it all, despite being prepared for it by reading about it.
I suppose there aren't too many people of my kind out there
MalikQayum 2019 年 9 月 8 日 下午 11:06 
引用自 Drakensson
Personally I'm not that affected by written spoilers. The emotional effect from experiencing a moment in-game trumps it all, despite being prepared for it by reading about it.
I suppose there aren't too many people of my kind out there
there probably is a lot like you, but some people will use certain words to describe the ones like you as the ones that are the bad ones and themselves being the good guys.

just because there are not more like you voicing their opinions, does not mean they do not exist.

this whole question asked by the OP got hijacked by these people telling others that it is bad but none of them actually had anything to back their claims.

so they throw words at you hoping you get scared because you aren't going to question something when someone says it is netiquette or as now it has turn into that it is the social consensus amongst people it is bad, totally disregarding your opinion and the likes of you.

lets see what the next word they will conjure up, instead of actually using their time to find some sort of source that could back their argument.
Drakensson 2019 年 9 月 8 日 下午 11:10 
Yeah I noticed that the girl further up called me a bad human simply for not following the so-called "netiquette" or Steam rules, whatever. It is apparently very easy to be "bad" today
Crazy Tiger 2019 年 9 月 8 日 下午 11:13 
引用自 Cerberus
I saw nothing about whether spoilers are allowed in reviews. On sites like Goodreads, I believe they are not (someone will make sure the spoiling parts get marked as such, and collapsed). Especially for adventure games, a single sentence could spoil the plot of a game big time, possibly even rendering part of the gameplay obsolete. Are spoilers allowed?

There is nothing in the rules against it.

Personally I don't care much about spoilers. I prefer to not read major plot points of a storydriven game, which I rarely see written about anyway. But if they're in there, so be it. I myself try to not put such things in my reviews.
IFIYGD 2019 年 9 月 8 日 下午 11:17 
https://techterms.com/definition/netiquette

By the definition and rules given on this linked page above, (and please pay attention to this very obvious line: "While there is no official list of netiquette rules or guidelines, the general idea is to respect others online." ...), the informal definition and set of "rules" have been "violated" by some here, who are chiding others for not using "netiquette" properly. See rules 5 and 8. :)
cinedine 2019 年 9 月 9 日 上午 12:46 
引用自 MalikQayum
throwing words around as some sort of scare tactic like netiquette (like oh.. you don't know what standard netiquette is??)

but do link me to valves netiquette then, if the kb article doesn't mention it, i presume it is mentioned in this hidden document (lets call it hidden netiquette).

Standard netiquette is "don't be a jerk".
Spoiling the game for someone who is interest enough in buying it to read the reviews IS being a jerk. Not really hard to understand. Just because YOU don't mind reading spoilers doesn't mean other people don't.

There are a couple of games that get ruined by knowing one thing or the other beforehand. For example there is a horror game without any monster or pressure, but it's great at giving you the feeling that there is danger. Knowing beforehand there is not ruins the build-up.

Just because the internet is full of spoilers and jerks doesn't mean you have to be one yourself.
MalikQayum 2019 年 9 月 9 日 上午 3:48 
引用自 cinedine
引用自 MalikQayum
throwing words around as some sort of scare tactic like netiquette (like oh.. you don't know what standard netiquette is??)

but do link me to valves netiquette then, if the kb article doesn't mention it, i presume it is mentioned in this hidden document (lets call it hidden netiquette).

Standard netiquette is "don't be a jerk".
Spoiling the game for someone who is interest enough in buying it to read the reviews IS being a jerk. Not really hard to understand. Just because YOU don't mind reading spoilers doesn't mean other people don't.

There are a couple of games that get ruined by knowing one thing or the other beforehand. For example there is a horror game without any monster or pressure, but it's great at giving you the feeling that there is danger. Knowing beforehand there is not ruins the build-up.

Just because the internet is full of spoilers and jerks doesn't mean you have to be one yourself.
yes lets flip the script here, how about you are being the rude one to impose you not wanting to read something on to others that wants to read it.

yes also stop using words like jerk to make the opposition look negative because you incapable being able to argument and/or show proper rules that prevent writing whatever you want as long as you within the guidelines of the kb article i linked to begin with.
wuddih 2019 年 9 月 9 日 上午 4:28 
yes, spoilers are allowed in review, using them with Steams formatting tags is not required.

Steam provides bbcode like formatting including the spoiler tag. use it at your own discretion.

spoilers are also not part of any "standard" netiquette and has nothing to do with being a jerk, that is just brainwash crap people made up over the years to entertain themselves with their own misery.
cinedine 2019 年 9 月 9 日 上午 5:50 
引用自 MalikQayum
引用自 cinedine

Standard netiquette is "don't be a jerk".
Spoiling the game for someone who is interest enough in buying it to read the reviews IS being a jerk. Not really hard to understand. Just because YOU don't mind reading spoilers doesn't mean other people don't.

There are a couple of games that get ruined by knowing one thing or the other beforehand. For example there is a horror game without any monster or pressure, but it's great at giving you the feeling that there is danger. Knowing beforehand there is not ruins the build-up.

Just because the internet is full of spoilers and jerks doesn't mean you have to be one yourself.
yes lets flip the script here, how about you are being the rude one to impose you not wanting to read something on to others that wants to read it.

yes also stop using words like jerk to make the opposition look negative because you incapable being able to argument and/or show proper rules that prevent writing whatever you want as long as you within the guidelines of the kb article i linked to begin with.

*Sigh*
(A) No one wants to prevent you from reading up on the story if you like. That's what e.g. forums are for. Reviews however are not the place for it.

(B) Maybe read the KB article yourself.
All users are subject to the Steam Subscriber Agreement and Steam Online Conduct.

Steam Online Conduct (aka 'netiquette'):
You will not:
[...]
*Restrict or inhibit any other user from using and enjoying Steam services, software or other content.



引用自 MalikQayum
interesting.. if you don't want to exposed to "spoilers" perhaps you should go off the grid.
put on a tinfoil hat and hide under your bed until you can buy the game yourself.

keep in mind, nobody is forcing you to read the reviews.

That's not how it works. I should be able to read a review without being spoiled the game. That's just comon sense. You don't tell your friend "yeah, the movie is great, especially the surprising ending when it turned out that the detective himself was the murderer and used the investigation to cover his tracks. And you'd never know that his partner was in on it from the beginning."

Your argumentation is along the same lines as "you don't want random people to punch you in the face? Then stay don't go out and stay at home."
khermerker 2019 年 9 月 9 日 上午 8:47 
Ok i will give my opinion, beware spoilers ahead :IrisHeartRebirth3:

And yup sometimes i give spoilers rarely endings ... if i ever put one not sure. But before put them i put a no spoilers review. After that no spoilers review what happend depend if i recommend or not. If i don't recommend and is part cause the story have no sense or bad made i say first beware spoilers ahead to explain why the game is bad, and then put it to make my point in not buy. If game is recommend by me there are zero spoilers. Maybe i should use the spoiler tag from know on but i always forget how put those.. yes i know that formatting help had it, but when im writting im thinking all about game and forgot.. rarely do reviews with gameplay below of 2 hours and only in 10 mins cause i will not play but bought cause i decide with my wallet help something
IFIYGD 2019 年 9 月 9 日 上午 9:05 
引用自 cinedine
<snip snip snippety snip>

(B) Maybe read the KB article yourself.
All users are subject to the Steam Subscriber Agreement and Steam Online Conduct.

Steam Online Conduct (aka 'netiquette'):
You will not:
[...]
*Restrict or inhibit any other user from using and enjoying Steam services, software or other content.

"Enjoying" is entirely subjective. I enjoy the software and services just fine, even if some folks post spoilers. I may not enjoy that review, or that forum post, or that broadcast, or the status update, or that curator review, or that random argument just for the sake of arguing. By your argument, no spoilers are allowed on Steam, anywhere, not in reviews (curator or player), no one can give a spoiler in any forums post, anywhere, no broadcasts, EVER, because that broadcast might spoil the game for you, no status updates by any of your friends, because they might give a spoiler in one (accidentally or intentionally), no text of any kind on any profile, because there may be a spoiler there, no screenshots, because, you know... spoilers happen in screenshots all the time. So, in other words, according to your argument, every single thing on Steam needs to be censored because... spoilers make Steam un-enjoyable for you. Even if it doesn't make Steam un-enjoyable for someone, or anyone else.

It doesn't work that way.If it did, I could theoretically report your post, and several others in this thread, for making things here un-enjoyable for me. I'm sure the Mods would have a good time with that. Not.
Drakensson 2019 年 9 月 9 日 上午 10:17 
This thread isn't going anywhere anytime soon
Lebhleb 2019 年 9 月 9 日 上午 10:22 
Well depends, i certantly think if game has a tricky spot or something not really obvious then i might apreciate the mention, though i think one of my reviews i did does not follow that so closely, thanks for reminding me actually
cinedine 2019 年 9 月 9 日 下午 2:09 
I really shouldn't be surprised by this community any longer, but seriously ... not posting spoilers - or at the very least give a bloody SPOILER WARNING - should be a nobrainer in a game centric community.
The argumentation is hare-brained. Just because you don't mind doesn't mean you don't have to respect those who do. That's common decency. Can't believe there is even a discussion about this. :steamfacepalm:
IFIYGD 2019 年 9 月 9 日 下午 2:46 
引用自 cinedine
I really shouldn't be surprised by this community any longer, but seriously ... not posting spoilers - or at the very least give a bloody SPOILER WARNING - should be a nobrainer in a game centric community.
The argumentation is hare-brained. Just because you don't mind doesn't mean you don't have to respect those who do. That's common decency. Can't believe there is even a discussion about this. :steamfacepalm:
The discussion topic was about whether spoilers are allowed in reviews, or forbidden by Valve. The only reason it got derailed and turned into a "netiquette" discussion is because a few people decided they had to be the "morality police" here. I use spoiler tags, in reviews, in forums, on screenshots. Not because I MUST, due to any rule made by Valve, but because I choose to. But since there is NO SUCH RULE, that answers the OP's question, and anything else, is just an argument over semantics and a made up internet term. Can't believe there's people here who think everyone should adhere to their opinions on "netiquette", or their singular "code-of-moral-conduct". :steamfacepalm:
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