Ishin - Last boss, first playthrough immortal severance

[Pklepper11]

Anyone know a solid guide or strat to this guy? i cant get timing down for the parrys and i feel like i could beat him if i ran in circles and hit him every now and then once he does a combo but i dont wanna be there for 30 mins fighting. Any and all tips appreciated, just spent 3 days on demon of hatred and that was miserable, once i beat Ishin it will be my first souls game completed.

[The High Seraph]

引用自 MrPat92：

引用自 The High Seraph：

Here is how I fought him No damage , No tools , No run and poke ! Hope u can learn things or two from my video

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X-4yyXZLGGA

when he does the spin attack in phase one, you can just stay close to him and take no damage?

It’s basically abusing iframe .. your dodge have iframe like Dark Souls .. but a lot lower .. still can abuse like this ... just need correct timing . Timing is when his hand starting to move .. you can watch again .

[Pklepper11]

引用自 The High Seraph：

引用自 MrPat92：

when he does the spin attack in phase one, you can just stay close to him and take no damage?

It’s basically abusing iframe .. your dodge have iframe like Dark Souls .. but a lot lower .. still can abuse like this ... just need correct timing . Timing is when his hand starting to move .. you can watch again .

i see now, thats a good video i like how you took it nice and slow and hit all your counters. Gonna try that approach

[The High Seraph]

引用自 MrPat92：

引用自 The High Seraph：

It’s basically abusing iframe .. your dodge have iframe like Dark Souls .. but a lot lower .. still can abuse like this ... just need correct timing . Timing is when his hand starting to move .. you can watch again .

i see now, thats a good video i like how you took it nice and slow and hit all your counters. Gonna try that approach

Glad to help ! Hope u can beat him in this day :)

[Tiasmoon]

引用自 The High Seraph：

Here is how I fought him No damage , No tools , No run and poke ! Hope u can learn things or two from my video

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X-4yyXZLGGA

Your posture recovery seems a bit too high even tho you arent guarding..

[Songbird]

引用自 MrPat92：

引用自 Nickk：

I would just die and die to learn him but if you're stuck on a boss for 3 days then go and find a way to cheese him.

Or just hold the block button to learn his move as much as you can then die.

But seriously with human bosses just stay agressive, breaking posture is key. Try to track down all the beads and get 10 gourds before trying him.

i have all the gourds and all the beads you can get in immortal severance play-through (38-40)
just need to git gud is all and i need all my souls veterans help

You can get all beads in Immortal Severance as long as you got the second bell early enough. Nothing will lock you out of the Immortal Severance ending other than the Shura ending.

It's not shown in that video, but both of Genichiro's opening attacks can be easily dodged by just sprinting behind him and starting to attack him. Sometimes he won't even use the second if you do this. There's no reason aside from flash to iframe them as you get two free hits per attack either way.

Also, you can parry Isshin's Ashina Cross and huge charged swings to take no damage (blocking takes chip damage) and inflict large amounts of posture damage to him if you do so, though the charged swings will knock you back so I'm not sure if you come out ahead of iframing them and having more time to punish. You can't parry the lightning charged swings, obviously.

[PraiseTheHolyMango]

引用自 MrPat92：

Anyone know a solid guide or strat to this guy? i cant get timing down for the parrys and i feel like i could beat him if i ran in circles and hit him every now and then once he does a combo but i dont wanna be there for 30 mins fighting. Any and all tips appreciated, just spent 3 days on demon of hatred and that was miserable, once i beat Ishin it will be my first souls game completed.

its at least a 10 min fight

[Xengre]

引用自 CMDR Shven：

Generally speaking getting more attack power does not help outside the first few upgrades. If you're dying constantly and you think being able to do 10% more vitality damage per hit would be the difference, you haven't learned the boss's moves and you're approaching the entire thing wrong. This is not Dark Souls; you cannot grind your stats to the point where bosses become easy.

My general advice for learning FromSoft bosses has always been to take a few tries at the boss without attacking. Just try to defend and stay alive as long as possible. When you are focusing entirely on how to avoid taking damage, you will intuitively learn the moments when it is safe to counter attack.

Not entirely accurate. More attack power will make a definite difference. Each additional attack power becomes less valuable on its own but makes attack power boosting items more powerful for each additional attack power which compensates a bit. The overall difference can be rather significant. Example: 16 Attack Power + Divine Confetti (and possibly even if you want to stack Ako/etc. as well) vs 14 attack power that probably isn't using any additional buffs (but even if it did would be noticeably less). Knowing how to properly boost your attack noticeably without substantial grind (1-2 dragon points + divine confetti) is rather important. The faster a fight completes, the faster you can lower the vitality, the more effective your healing, prosthetics, and overall survivability become and your chance of fatal error decreases.

Of course, even if you had double the attack power if you don't know how to defend and survive against these bosses due to a lack of a certain degree of skill then it wont help you as you will simply get destroyed against certain bosses so you aren't entirely off.

引用自 Pascual7：

引用自 MrPat92：

Anyone know a solid guide or strat to this guy? i cant get timing down for the parrys and i feel like i could beat him if i ran in circles and hit him every now and then once he does a combo but i dont wanna be there for 30 mins fighting. Any and all tips appreciated, just spent 3 days on demon of hatred and that was miserable, once i beat Ishin it will be my first souls game completed.

its at least a 10 min fight

Isshin and Demon of Hatred are each about 4-7 mins. If you are taking much longer your doing something very wrong and massively boosting your chance of fatal errors.

[hayaku]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXXxrJHmEvM
dont master it actually but Phase one, at the cross skill u can stay close, parry 1 rst hit and jump for the down hit then counter jump for down his posture more faster .

At P3 jump when u see he jump with lightning and reverse it give damage and down his posture really much.

[lentinant]

First Isshin phase (actual Isshin, not Genichiro) was hardest for me, as he simply counters all attacks. Good openings are his thrust attack (allows to do at least one hit after mikiri counter), his attacks when he sheathes the sword, and big vertical slash attack (both make him face one direction for quite a long time, allowing you to go around and land few hits).

Second phase gives much more opportunity to attack. Once he leaps to you with spear, you can dodge and do several hits on him (although you might want to back up pretty quickly to not get hit by a counter). Also, he has some combos, which end up with thrust attack, which can be countered by Mikiri. Be ready to deflect his gun constantly during this phase.

Third phase is similar to second, but he has some air blades (can be evaded by sprinting backsides), also few lightning attacks (if you are good with catching those, they deal a LOTS of damage to him).

It might take several (hours of) tries, but you can definitely learn most of his moves, and learn how to counter-react.

[Apanatchanka]

Do you really have to spoil last boss name ?

[Slayer]

I can do the Genichiro phase and the first Ishin phase with zero hits because you can parry/ dodge and stay on him.

When he gets the spear out, I start messing up. Hard to keep pressure on him. I think the last phases, let him come to you and be ready to chip away.

[Satsuma]

I've found that the easiest way to do him and genichiro is to continuously attack. Eventually he'll deflect you and then counter attack. I've found his move pool is more limited after a deflect and the constant pressure damages his posture each time he blocks you. With his more limited move pool you can deflect more easily and then get right back on the pressure. The hardest parts of the fight are when you're approaching him or trying to heal. It's still really hard since any mistake can kill you

[Kenpachi]

Keep hitting him until he deflects and always be in his face.

In his sword phase, he mostly does a 4 hit combo after he deflects you. Parry the first 2 hits and then go face until he deflects again. Sometimes he will shoulder push into thrust. Do mikiri counter then go in his face and keep hitting him (if you have double ichimonji do that for more posture damage). If he steps back and sheathes his sword to do an Ashina Cross, again move in his face, parry the first attack, double jump over the second because it's a sweep, then go face. If he's going for double ichimonji, dodge into his right side and go face (if you parry the ichimonji he'll do the wind attack that's pretty hard to i-frame up close and if you block it he'll pretty much destroy your posture).

Second phase keep harassing him but watch out for that move when he jumps back and hits you with the spear (kinda lika corrupted monk). Sometimes he will follow that into the repeater gun (deflect bullets) then into a thrust (or a sweep) so get your counter ready. When he leaps at you make sure you dodge behind him because if you block or run away he can follow up with a 2 hit sword combo that's pretty fast.

Third phase he has lightning so Jump + RB to throw it back at his face (you can also i-frame it with a dodge). He has a two projectile wind attack that's pretty easy to dodge. Same strats as phase 2.

[Pklepper11]

引用自 Apanatchanka：

Do you really have to spoil last boss name ?

well there's nothing i can do about it now so i don't know what you're getting at

[Broekloos]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWAoQIgdWxg