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so your saying there is no underworld and no point to even have rogues exist? wow... this game came out a month after morrowind, and yet morrowind had so much more attention to detail, this is disgusting...
If you want a thief simulator you could check out the Thief games I suppose, not sure what you're expecting from a cRPG of this style, what other cRPG has what you're asking for?
But there totally are campaigns and adventures that make you feel like a real rogue, that customize the systems and pay more attention to RP. If you don't like The Wailing Death campaign, how about trying user-made adventures like Honor Among Thieves, The Rogues of Quinn, Guild War? (A Dance With Rogues is an extremely popular one, too, though I'd only recommend it if you're fine with lots of very explicit sexual content and not without trigger warning.)
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1309774090
https://neverwintervault.org/project/nwn1/module/honor-among-thieves
https://neverwintervault.org/project/nwn1/module/guild-war
https://neverwintervault.org/project/nwn1/module/rogues-quinn-1-service-quinn
https://neverwintervault.org/project/nwn1/module/dance-rogues-part-1-20-ee-compatible
Or check out multiplayer online worlds and roleplay with other players.
........ thats the same tired nonsense...... 'we have to design the game for everyone, which means whole classes get excluded from participating' I mean what was that house filled with guards even guarding? there was no one in there but the cook... why do you have over a dozen cut throats guarding a cook? to be inclusive for everyone?
at this point its just excuse making for why there is no content, no one as actually stated the existence of an underworld, so what is even the point of having 'chaotic' on the spectrum? to be inclusive? i think thats called tokenism...
no i want RP....
"If you judge the game based on the official campaigns alone and drop it before you have tried what NWN is best known and liked for, then maybe it isn't for you. "
"A Dance With Rogues" I saw someone do this on youtube, which is what got my attention to begin with. And yes I cringed at all the sexual stuff, dont really even understand why that was in there, the need for you to play as a raped princess is pretty extreme and frankly unnecessary... I have always liked the thieves guild in elder scrolls, and thats the kind of vibes I was looking for. I guess I did drink the coolaid a little bit thinking that this was a depth rich world that would actually behave the way you would think it should.
The thing is im not trying to be a thief so much as a pragmatist that will take advantage things in front of me. I dumped tons of points into sneaking and persuasion and skills that would help me do roguery. But then if I try and go through the prison mission there is absolutely no way to use those skills. You are just expected to tank through everything.
I was wanting to eaves drop on every conversation and pay attention to every detail of whats presented to me, I was even suspecting that Pavel, the one other guy who survived from the academy early on might have been an inside man for the assassins because why would he survive when none of these trained professionals would? but it seems there is just no depth in this campaign...
do you know how insulting you are right now? I was being responsible for setting my own RP, I got clues from conversation on where the rich people live, and how they are responding to the crisis, so when I go to get a follower from the Trade of Blades I discovered that one of them had family in that district, so the whole 'you wont get in there without connections' bit seemed solid if I brought her along. I chose her out of all the rest BECAUSE of those details. In the end I was let in because of the main plot, not because 'you will need to persuade your way in' so the whole premise you are setting is not only wrong, but damn insulting...
also "(gosh why is it that I almost always hear that from rogues)." this just validates my argument, that im not alone in this, that anyone else that wants to be a rogue simply cant...
so i dont know, why dont you get an attitude adjustment and go play a modern game? seriously, you are flat insulting...
Sorry, not sorry. It's the entitlement that brings you to the state of being insulted. But I don't want to "prove" anything to you. You're a classic example of "that player" in TT - that one that doesn't want to compromise and wants things to be "my way or high way". I'll show myself out.
This.
im entitled because I want content in my content? for having a basic expectation? thanks for doubling down on the insults... i dont even know what compromise is to you, but i stepped into this expecting a role play environment, and what i actually found was a hand guided spoon fed experience... the game only cares about the main plot, and if i deviate from it at all i find nothing there...
no really, i love this idiotic concept that i paid attention to details and therefore i expect spoon fed content, while the game is spoon feeding me content, and if i try to deviate im entitled for wanting spoon fed content? huh?
im just 'that player' because i thought something as legendary as D&D would offer more then one quest line at a time... I mean ♥♥♥♥, here I am praising plastic Skyrim, again, for letting me leave the main plot to do other things for a while... Something that legendary D&D wont allow for... and yes, Morrowind came out a month prior to this, so its not about lack of technology because that game had a whole hell of a lot more depth, I could go and get rare and expensive stuff on day one, if I have the knowledge that it exists, and that was the charm of the game, exploration and learning.
i swear you cant put three sentences together without contradicting yourself, and im sure everyone will come in here and agree with you... i really dont understand the death of logic...
seeing as how you just agree with an antagonist, i dont know if there is even a point in trying to have a conversation with you...
Personally, I kind of agree, that's why I suggested you try some community content instead. And I would also agree with your opinion on A Dance With Rogues, except, the thing is, everyone can use the toolset for whatever they like, and for all I know, the author of ADWR initially created the module for herself and based on some of her own sexual fantasies. She didn't really mean to release it to the public, but then it turned out to be a pretty good module gameplay-wise, too good to keep it hidden away. And many people actually enjoy it the way it is, even if it is not for everyone. I totally get if this is not your cup of tea, that's why I said that and listed the other modules first. IIRC, they don't have any sexual content in them.
Yes, NWN single player is hardly ever like open world games, it's tendentially a story-oriented semi-linear RPG. It's definitely not comparable to the Elder Scrolls games. It was also created with co-op play in mind, like players would team up in a party where someone plays a fighter, another player a rogue, a third one a mage etc., and you solve problems with teamwork; that's why some characters are weaker on their own in single player.
If you want more open worlds, you need to go online multiplayer, but seeing as that involves getting along with other people I'm not sure how well that would work out for you if you go in with expectations and start being this negative whenever they're not met, with such a black-and-white/all-or-nothing attitude like:
What contempt did you get from me, for example? I was just trying to be helpful but you seem to have skipped over most of what I wrote and instead focus on the less helpful posts in order to prove that everyone hates you or something. It would be much more healthy and constructive to skip over the litigious and insulting posts and focus on the people actually trying to help you. I can sympathize with your complaints - it does suck that chests in rich people's houses would use the same lame loot system as e.g. trash barrels in the streets. But we can do little about that. Your choices are to be more open and adapt to an old, imperfect game, try something different than the main campaign, as I suggested, or give up on the game entirely. Maybe it just isn't the right game for you, and that's okay. It's disappointing, but not the fault of the game's fans here on the forum (some of the other posters' comments were uncalled for, but rather than stooping down to the same level, you'd fare better to prove them wrong by staying calm and ignnoring them).