Did not understand the end at all [WARNING: SPOILER]

[Royal magnificent Hamster]

Player Darkness II , great game though, but I dont understand what is happening in the end:
I free Jenny out of her chains, she comes to me and we are hugging and so on and so on....credits.....after the credits: Press use to let her go, she says, she loves me and then..... I mean wtf? She turns into a Darkness Angel? Does she leave him alone in the hell? Could someone explain that to me please? (Add: Did not play the first Darkness)

[RitchOli]

Originally posted by AtomicFlounder:

Originally posted by Drain:

Both endings are bad. The first has him retiring to an illusion by himself. Jackie already knows that the aslyum isn't real, nor is anyone in it, so I question why he'd want to stay there. This would be like deliberately putting yourself in a coma to dream away the rest of your life in an isolated fake fantasy because real life sucks or someone you want is dead. It's just a waste of whatever life you had left. This is basically the masturbation choice, because he's alone playing with himself.

The second one has Angelus, the opposite version of the Darkness, possess Jenny's spirit(or some such crap), then leave while he's left there to rot in hell(I presume). But Jackie deserves this fate for being stupid enough to suicide his life down the tube to try to save his already dead ex. She can't be "saved", she's already dead, she has been for the entire game. What, were you going to bring her back to life? And yourself too??? This guy is like 22 years old or such. News flash, most people in these years divorce or break up with the girl they had when they were a teenager, not suicide to reunite with their ex's dead ghost. Jackie is acting like a child that can't grow up or move on when his ex GF is D E A D.

What he should have done is forget about Jenny(she's dead you moron), kill off all the brotherhood, use the siphon to remove the darkness, bury the blasted thing or throw it into the middle of the ocean, then go on with his life in that nice huge mansion with all that money. You can find a new damn chick. Threw his life away to go after a girl's ghost. You'd think that someone in their 20s wouldn't be that pathetic. A few years later she very well may have dumped him anyway. Hope she's worth it.

It's not just that she's dead, she was murdered in front of him, and he felt as if it was his fault. It was that the Darkness had her soul, and she was being tortured in Hell. Feeling responsible for her death and suffering, he sacrificed himself in an attempt to stop her suffering in Hell. You make it sound as if it is a normal story. As if Jenny died of natural causes, and Jackie, a normal young man with a normal young life kills himself to see her. You got it all wrong, man.

You know what I think... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK0z87WrhGo


Side note, I believe the story in this is great, it's a tale of self sacrifice, that shows the power of one man's devotion to save the love of his life's soul from damnation, it's pretty Romeo and Juliet esk really, with just a hint of Inferno. I couldn't care less if they made it a trilogy, they can leave it where it is and it would be fine... Although, an epic battle between The Darkness and The Angelus, and Jackies fight out of hell would make for an awesome series end.

[Lucky]

Originally posted by Drain:

Both endings are bad. The first has him retiring to an illusion by himself. Jackie already knows that the aslyum isn't real, nor is anyone in it, so I question why he'd want to stay there. This would be like deliberately putting yourself in a coma to dream away the rest of your life in an isolated fake fantasy because real life sucks or someone you want is dead. It's just a waste of whatever life you had left. This is basically the masturbation choice, because he's alone playing with himself.

The second one has Angelus, the opposite version of the Darkness, possess Jenny's spirit(or some such crap), then leave while he's left there to rot in hell(I presume). But Jackie deserves this fate for being stupid enough to suicide his life down the tube to try to save his already dead ex. She can't be "saved", she's already dead, she has been for the entire game. What, were you going to bring her back to life? And yourself too??? This guy is like 22 years old or such. News flash, most people in these years divorce or break up with the girl they had when they were a teenager, not suicide to reunite with their ex's dead ghost. Jackie is acting like a child that can't grow up or move on when his ex GF is D E A D.

What he should have done is forget about Jenny(she's dead you moron), kill off all the brotherhood, use the siphon to remove the darkness, bury the blasted thing or throw it into the middle of the ocean, then go on with his life in that nice huge mansion with all that money. You can find a new damn chick. Threw his life away to go after a girl's ghost. You'd think that someone in their 20s wouldn't be that pathetic. A few years later she very well may have dumped him anyway. Hope she's worth it.

I disagree in regards to the second. thoughout the story he had made mention that there where only two people in his life who meant anything to him, Jenny and Aunt Sarah both where taken from him. it's understandable how he's hung up on them.

I actually rather liked the concept of the second; reminded me of of the Greek myth of Orpheus and Eurydice. Orpheus journeying to the underworld to try and win back his dead wife.

Love and loss, it's not a rare theme. at anyrate tho, i took that ending as Jackie just wanting to free Jenny from hell and release her soul to go to heaven or whatever. After all, she didn't belong in hell.

[Tayzor Azul]

Originally posted by Citizen Graves:

No, she turns into an Angelus, the eternal opponents of the Darkness (think of Angelus as Heaven's Army and the Darkness as Hell).

In this game it always appeared to me that Jenny actually turned into the Witchblade, a human host for the Angelus (just like Jackie is a human host for the Darkness).

Read up on the comics lore here:

http://witchblade.wikia.com/wiki/The_Darkness

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Darkness_%28comics%29

Or get yourself some of the Darkness comics collected Volumes. They are actually quite fun (at least the original ones co-written by Garth Ennis, don't know about the later books).

Witchblade is the daugther of the Angelus and the Darkness please stick to the lore man.

[0xB^3]

Originally posted by Drain:

Both endings are bad. The first has him retiring to an illusion by himself. Jackie already knows that the aslyum isn't real, nor is anyone in it, so I question why he'd want to stay there. This would be like deliberately putting yourself in a coma to dream away the rest of your life in an isolated fake fantasy because real life sucks or someone you want is dead. It's just a waste of whatever life you had left. This is basically the masturbation choice, because he's alone playing with himself.

The second one has Angelus, the opposite version of the Darkness, possess Jenny's spirit(or some such crap), then leave while he's left there to rot in hell(I presume). But Jackie deserves this fate for being stupid enough to suicide his life down the tube to try to save his already dead ex. She can't be "saved", she's already dead, she has been for the entire game. What, were you going to bring her back to life? And yourself too??? This guy is like 22 years old or such. News flash, most people in these years divorce or break up with the girl they had when they were a teenager, not suicide to reunite with their ex's dead ghost. Jackie is acting like a child that can't grow up or move on when his ex GF is D E A D.

What he should have done is forget about Jenny(she's dead you moron), kill off all the brotherhood, use the siphon to remove the darkness, bury the blasted thing or throw it into the middle of the ocean, then go on with his life in that nice huge mansion with all that money. You can find a new damn chick. Threw his life away to go after a girl's ghost. You'd think that someone in their 20s wouldn't be that pathetic. A few years later she very well may have dumped him anyway. Hope she's worth it.

You've got it wrong, the asylum is reality, the other is a psychotic episode.
Unless you believe all that nonsense with the Darkness and Angelus is real haha

[Vulkax]

Originally posted by Jon Graves:

Originally posted by Drain:

Both endings are bad. The first has him retiring to an illusion by himself. Jackie already knows that the aslyum isn't real, nor is anyone in it, so I question why he'd want to stay there. This would be like deliberately putting yourself in a coma to dream away the rest of your life in an isolated fake fantasy because real life sucks or someone you want is dead. It's just a waste of whatever life you had left. This is basically the masturbation choice, because he's alone playing with himself.

The second one has Angelus, the opposite version of the Darkness, possess Jenny's spirit(or some such crap), then leave while he's left there to rot in hell(I presume). But Jackie deserves this fate for being stupid enough to suicide his life down the tube to try to save his already dead ex. She can't be "saved", she's already dead, she has been for the entire game. What, were you going to bring her back to life? And yourself too??? This guy is like 22 years old or such. News flash, most people in these years divorce or break up with the girl they had when they were a teenager, not suicide to reunite with their ex's dead ghost. Jackie is acting like a child that can't grow up or move on when his ex GF is D E A D.

What he should have done is forget about Jenny(she's dead you moron), kill off all the brotherhood, use the siphon to remove the darkness, bury the blasted thing or throw it into the middle of the ocean, then go on with his life in that nice huge mansion with all that money. You can find a new damn chick. Threw his life away to go after a girl's ghost. You'd think that someone in their 20s wouldn't be that pathetic. A few years later she very well may have dumped him anyway. Hope she's worth it.

^Pretty much the story of Darkness 2 in a nutshell. :-D

Though, to give our protagonist some credit, he was a 22 yo guy who rode his life on adrenaline in a power-trip of killing for the mob, then getting godlike demonic powers and decimating the mob to become head of family himself, then fight weird demons and crazy brotherhood folk, all while not being allowed to have sex because his powers kill him and transfer during the moment of conception (which in this story begs the question of how the hell his father and memories of his father fit in with that whole darkness-lineage thing), and driven by the idea that he might be able to save the only girl he has ever known and loved.

If you can't have sex, you get emotional. Right?

Btw., shouldn't he be able to have sex if he pulls out just before....?

He's adopted.

[JolyJew СлаваУкраине]

what if jackie is insane and he is hellucinating he is hell because of new medications? i think that loony house was real

[peremptor]

Originally posted by Drain:

Both endings are bad. The first has him retiring to an illusion by himself. Jackie already knows that the aslyum isn't real, nor is anyone in it, so I question why he'd want to stay there. This would be like deliberately putting yourself in a coma to dream away the rest of your life in an isolated fake fantasy because real life sucks or someone you want is dead. It's just a waste of whatever life you had left. This is basically the masturbation choice, because he's alone playing with himself.

The second one has Angelus, the opposite version of the Darkness, possess Jenny's spirit(or some such crap), then leave while he's left there to rot in hell(I presume). But Jackie deserves this fate for being stupid enough to suicide his life down the tube to try to save his already dead ex. She can't be "saved", she's already dead, she has been for the entire game. What, were you going to bring her back to life? And yourself too??? This guy is like 22 years old or such. News flash, most people in these years divorce or break up with the girl they had when they were a teenager, not suicide to reunite with their ex's dead ghost. Jackie is acting like a child that can't grow up or move on when his ex GF is D E A D.

What he should have done is forget about Jenny(she's dead you moron), kill off all the brotherhood, use the siphon to remove the darkness, bury the blasted thing or throw it into the middle of the ocean, then go on with his life in that nice huge mansion with all that money. You can find a new damn chick. Threw his life away to go after a girl's ghost. You'd think that someone in their 20s wouldn't be that pathetic. A few years later she very well may have dumped him anyway. Hope she's worth it.

I approve this MGTOW ending ;)

[b0fh]

Originally posted by Jolly Jew:

what if jackie is insane and he is hellucinating he is hell because of new medications? i think that loony house was real

That was my impression as well:

- Comic books on Jackie's nightstand looked like The Darkness comics, consistent with the idea that the story of the game is not set in the Darkness Comics universe, but in our own, with Jackie projecting himself in the comic's world. If the asylum is an illusion, why bother with such a detail ?

- Jackie's posse have romanticized, italian-sounding modifications of their asylum counterparts. If the asylum is an illusion, why bother with that ? On the other hand it is consistent with Jackie creating imaginary new identities to fit his own narrative.

- In the same vein: Are the asylum patients really Jackie's mates ? It seems not, since they have no memory of the episode when Jackie returns to the other reality. So, if they are illusions too, why and how does Johnny knows that the asylum is not real ? On the other hand, if the asylum is real, Johnny is just a plain loony encouraging Jackie in his delirium

- The asylum has a mirror. Why does the Asylum jackie not look like his counterpart ? If the asylum is an illusion, why bother ? Sounds more consistent with the idea that Asylum Jackie is insane and projecting himself to be the comic's Jackie.

- If the darkness can create the whole asylum as an illusion, why make a terrace from which Jackie can kill his illusory self, letting him escape ?

- What is the Darkling ? why doesn't it disappear while the Darkness is temporarily captured in the siphon ? why do people in the asylum not notice this strange janitor ? It can all be explained if it is just Jackie's hallucination.




- The ONLY argument significantly in favor of the illusion asylum is the weird faces that the doctors and Jenny make just before the jump. But again, if Jackie can hallucinate the darkling, he can probably also hallucinate the doctor's faces melting.

[Electroforesis]

In my opinion, Jackie was obsessed with Jenny AF

[Arcion Holy Windmaster]

also whoever is saying ♥♥♥♥ about Jackie dieing to save her is full of ♥♥♥♥ you cant hate on it and those who keep saying hes an obssessed ♥♥♥♥ then your all retarded ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Jackie was an Good guy yes he may have been in the mafia but so he never meant for any of what happend so shut the ♥♥♥♥ up. you werent in his shoes so you cant say ♥♥♥♥. Jackie from what we know didnt actually die he only sent himself up in there to rid himself of basically the devil so in an act of that he would be given another chance! he doesnt deserve to be in ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hell!. so also any of you are hypocrites who would die for there Girlfriends or boyfriends! sacrificing yourself to save another. so thats what Jackie did an pure sacrifice cause he loved her!

[guts' theme (Cut & Looped)]

Just finished this and sad to realize there will never be a continuation on that massive cliffhanger.

[Eery Jan]

Originally posted by peremptor:

Originally posted by Drain:

Both endings are bad. The first has him retiring to an illusion by himself. Jackie already knows that the aslyum isn't real, nor is anyone in it, so I question why he'd want to stay there. This would be like deliberately putting yourself in a coma to dream away the rest of your life in an isolated fake fantasy because real life sucks or someone you want is dead. It's just a waste of whatever life you had left. This is basically the masturbation choice, because he's alone playing with himself.

The second one has Angelus, the opposite version of the Darkness, possess Jenny's spirit(or some such crap), then leave while he's left there to rot in hell(I presume). But Jackie deserves this fate for being stupid enough to suicide his life down the tube to try to save his already dead ex. She can't be "saved", she's already dead, she has been for the entire game. What, were you going to bring her back to life? And yourself too??? This guy is like 22 years old or such. News flash, most people in these years divorce or break up with the girl they had when they were a teenager, not suicide to reunite with their ex's dead ghost. Jackie is acting like a child that can't grow up or move on when his ex GF is D E A D.

What he should have done is forget about Jenny(she's dead you moron), kill off all the brotherhood, use the siphon to remove the darkness, bury the blasted thing or throw it into the middle of the ocean, then go on with his life in that nice huge mansion with all that money. You can find a new damn chick. Threw his life away to go after a girl's ghost. You'd think that someone in their 20s wouldn't be that pathetic. A few years later she very well may have dumped him anyway. Hope she's worth it.

I approve this MGTOW ending ;)

Jackie's aunt only like, hinted at this ever since we met her, ain't everything gonna go exactly how you wanted it Jackie. (Loved the game though, installed and beat it in a single day, off t'bed now X'D)

[wayfarer]

Originally posted by Drain:

Both endings are bad. The first has him retiring to an illusion by himself. Jackie already knows that the aslyum isn't real, nor is anyone in it, so I question why he'd want to stay there. This would be like deliberately putting yourself in a coma to dream away the rest of your life in an isolated fake fantasy because real life sucks or someone you want is dead. It's just a waste of whatever life you had left. This is basically the masturbation choice, because he's alone playing with himself.

The second one has Angelus, the opposite version of the Darkness, possess Jenny's spirit(or some such crap), then leave while he's left there to rot in hell(I presume). But Jackie deserves this fate for being stupid enough to suicide his life down the tube to try to save his already dead ex. She can't be "saved", she's already dead, she has been for the entire game. What, were you going to bring her back to life? And yourself too??? This guy is like 22 years old or such. News flash, most people in these years divorce or break up with the girl they had when they were a teenager, not suicide to reunite with their ex's dead ghost. Jackie is acting like a child that can't grow up or move on when his ex GF is D E A D.

What he should have done is forget about Jenny(she's dead you moron), kill off all the brotherhood, use the siphon to remove the darkness, bury the blasted thing or throw it into the middle of the ocean, then go on with his life in that nice huge mansion with all that money. You can find a new damn chick. Threw his life away to go after a girl's ghost. You'd think that someone in their 20s wouldn't be that pathetic. A few years later she very well may have dumped him anyway. Hope she's worth it.

Just finished the game and I am 100% agree with you.

[Caesar]

Originally posted by Drain:

Both endings are bad. The first has him retiring to an illusion by himself. Jackie already knows that the aslyum isn't real, nor is anyone in it, so I question why he'd want to stay there. This would be like deliberately putting yourself in a coma to dream away the rest of your life in an isolated fake fantasy because real life sucks or someone you want is dead. It's just a waste of whatever life you had left. This is basically the masturbation choice, because he's alone playing with himself.

The second one has Angelus, the opposite version of the Darkness, possess Jenny's spirit(or some such crap), then leave while he's left there to rot in hell(I presume). But Jackie deserves this fate for being stupid enough to suicide his life down the tube to try to save his already dead ex. She can't be "saved", she's already dead, she has been for the entire game. What, were you going to bring her back to life? And yourself too??? This guy is like 22 years old or such. News flash, most people in these years divorce or break up with the girl they had when they were a teenager, not suicide to reunite with their ex's dead ghost. Jackie is acting like a child that can't grow up or move on when his ex GF is D E A D.

What he should have done is forget about Jenny(she's dead you moron), kill off all the brotherhood, use the siphon to remove the darkness, bury the blasted thing or throw it into the middle of the ocean, then go on with his life in that nice huge mansion with all that money. You can find a new damn chick. Threw his life away to go after a girl's ghost. You'd think that someone in their 20s wouldn't be that pathetic. A few years later she very well may have dumped him anyway. Hope she's worth it.

I assume you never encountered real love then.

Originally posted by walking contradiction:

I don't really think there's a cliffhanger at the end. He's pretty much ♥♥♥♥♥♥, and the Angelus is freed. Not really a bad ending, he was not a nice guy, so he got trapped in hell. At least in his demise he did good, for the wrong reasons.

I agree, the ending is heartbreaking though that's why people "can't accept it & claim it to be a cliffhanger".

[Wyrtt]

Because its a game based on comics and story continues afterwards?