Housing, Gardening, Workstations, Land Prices: Overall Space Issues

[Laz]

Hi all,

Just wanted to get a discussion going. At the moment I feel like the amount of space we have verses the land prices does not allow for us to be able to do certain things in game that we should be able to do at a certain point.

For example: Farming.

With all the machinery we need, plus storage, we do not have the proper space for gardening. Since we're mixing in animals eventually this is going to lead to a lot of issues. I feel like we should be able to get the second land upgrade sooner (aka at a cheaper rate) so we can at least start farming if we want to before the housing upgrade. Right now farming feels really pointless. I don't want to sacrifice my space for more plots when I already feel cramped on my land as is.

I know this is just my opinion, but I also feel like we should be able to get the second land upgrade before the housing upgrade. Making that land cheaper then the housing upgrade will encourage people to get the land first, and not find out later that, oh no! Can't place the house down on the land we have! It's just a huge letdown to experience.

So, for an example of least expensive to most, I would suggest:

• 1st Land Upgrade
  
• 2nd Land Upgrade - Farming more viable
  
• House Upgrade
  
• 3rd Land Upgrade - Ranching becomes more viable
  
• Etc...

What do you all think? How do you feel about the land we have and the ability to gain more?

[Willow Rivers]

It is fine the way it is in my opinion. Money is easy to earn. I made 68,000 Gols today in 6 hours playtime. I working toward the 300,000 Gols upgrade right now.

[gomimin]

Originally posted by Willow Rivers:

I made 68,000 Gols today in 6 hours playtime.

What about a bit more balance towards ppl that can only play a few hours a week (2 -3h because of RL and work) that would love to do farming too ?!?

[Steely]

Originally posted by gomimin:

Originally posted by Willow Rivers:

It is fine the way it is in my opinion. Money is easy to earn. I made 68,000 Gols today in 6 hours playtime. I working toward the 300,000 Gols upgrade right now.

What about a bit more balance towards ppl that can only play a few hours a week (2 -3h because of RL and work) that would love to do farming too ?!?

THIS!

[Willow Rivers]

Originally posted by gomimin:

Originally posted by Willow Rivers:

I made 68,000 Gols today in 6 hours playtime.

What about a bit more balance towards ppl that can only play a few hours a week (2 -3h because of RL and work) that would love to do farming too ?!?

It is balanced fine. You will make the same amount of money just take you longer if you can only play 2-3 hours a week. That is true with any game. You will be behind those who can play longer. It doesn't need to be super fast because of your limited play time.

[Willow Rivers]

Originally posted by johnievm:

i made +$200,000 in 4 day paying the game for 12 hours per day. i have five industrial furnace. i have of over 150 hours of play time

yup easy to make money. I have 8 industrial furnaces, 4 industrial saws, 2 skivers and 2 grinders all powered by Fire Powered Generators. The Furncaes, saws, grinders are running 24/7 I am pumping out Darkwood Tables as fast as I can make them to sell. I also quarry while they work to get marble to make stone tables to sell and I sell the Topaz.

I also do my daily comission and fish while waiting for the stones to respawn to quarry again.

[Laz]

Originally posted by Willow Rivers:

It is fine the way it is in my opinion. Money is easy to earn. I made 68,000 Gols today in 6 hours playtime. I working toward the 300,000 Gols upgrade right now.

Jesus, how on earth did you do this?!

[Laz]

Originally posted by Willow Rivers:

Originally posted by johnievm:

i made +$200,000 in 4 day paying the game for 12 hours per day. i have five industrial furnace. i have of over 150 hours of play time

yup easy to make money. I have 8 industrial furnaces, 4 industrial saws, 2 skivers and 2 grinders all powered by Fire Powered Generators. The Furncaes, saws, grinders are running 24/7 I am pumping out Darkwood Tables as fast as I can make them to sell. I also quarry while they work to get marble to make stone tables to sell and I sell the Topaz.

I also do my daily comission and fish while waiting for the stones to respawn to quarry again.

Okay, my point is, you should be able to afford the second land upgrade BEFORE you have a crap ton of machinery for a money making empire. I don't think the game encourages people to farm at all or do anything but just build, and if the game wants to be more then that (which I think it does) it needs to take that into account and plan for that.

[Willow Rivers]

Originally posted by Disig:

Originally posted by Willow Rivers:

It is fine the way it is in my opinion. Money is easy to earn. I made 68,000 Gols today in 6 hours playtime. I working toward the 300,000 Gols upgrade right now.

Jesus, how on earth did you do this?!

Make Darkwood Tables, Stone Tables, sell Topaz, fish while you wait for the rocks to respawn, do 1 comission a day.

Right now my workshop has:

8 Inusdtrial Furnaces pumping out copper bars
2 Grinders pumping out copper pipes
4 Industrial Saws pumping out Hardwood Planks

All the above is powered by Fire Power Generators.

I do 1 comission a day, tend to the machines, quarry all the stone rocks along the city wall and Amber isle for Marble, make all the Darkwood & Stone tables as I have materials for the day. Turn in the comission, sell the tables and Topazes from quarraying if the market is decent. Fish if it was not a quarry day and sell the fish.

Repeat the above each day.

[Laz]

Originally posted by Willow Rivers:

Originally posted by Disig:

Jesus, how on earth did you do this?!

Make Darkwood Tables, Stone Tables, sell Topaz, fish while you wait for the rocks to respawn, do 1 comission a day.

Right now my workshop has:

8 Inusdtrial Furnaces pumping out copper bars
2 Grinders pumping out copper pipes
4 Industrial Saws pumping out Hardwood Planks

All the above is powered by Fire Power Generators.

I do 1 comission a day, tend to the machines, quarry all the stone rocks along the city wall and Amber isle for Marble, make all the Darkwood & Stone tables as I have materials for the day. Turn in the comission, sell the tables and Topazes from quarraying if the market is decent. Fish if it was not a quarry day and sell the fish.

Repeat the above each day.

This kind of operation seems like a late game thing. What I am proposing is more early game.

[Willow Rivers]

Originally posted by Disig:

Originally posted by Willow Rivers:

Make Darkwood Tables, Stone Tables, sell Topaz, fish while you wait for the rocks to respawn, do 1 comission a day.

Right now my workshop has:

8 Inusdtrial Furnaces pumping out copper bars
2 Grinders pumping out copper pipes
4 Industrial Saws pumping out Hardwood Planks

All the above is powered by Fire Power Generators.

I do 1 comission a day, tend to the machines, quarry all the stone rocks along the city wall and Amber isle for Marble, make all the Darkwood & Stone tables as I have materials for the day. Turn in the comission, sell the tables and Topazes from quarraying if the market is decent. Fish if it was not a quarry day and sell the fish.

Repeat the above each day.

This kind of operation seems like a late game thing. What I am proposing is more early game.

Early game you make other stuff with the lower tier equipment. Same process, find something that sells good and pump out the materials to make it and sell when the market is up.

Stone tables you just need Marble and Stone, easy early game money. Tires are decent as well, bronze bars and rubber tree plants.

There is early game ways to make money with the beginner machines.

[Laz]

Originally posted by Willow Rivers:

Originally posted by Disig:

This kind of operation seems like a late game thing. What I am proposing is more early game.

Early game you make other stuff with the lower tier equipment. Same process, find something that sells good and pump out the materials to make it and sell when the market is up.

Stone tables you just need Marble and Stone, easy early game money. Tires are decent as well, bronze bars and rubber tree plants.

There is early game ways to make money with the beginner machines.

I get that but that's not my point at all. My point is the progression feels all kinds of off. Like the game doesn't want you to do anything but build like crazy, and I thought this game was supposed to be more. Was just suggesting maybe giving people a breather early game to do other things.

[Laz]

Originally posted by johnievm:

you have to work hard to buy land just like in real life. the game would not be that fun if thy just hand it to you all land to you. It is fine the way it is in my opinion.

I'm not suggesting they just give ♥♥♥♥ away, did you even read what I wrote? Don't comment if you're not going to contribute something intelligent.

[Aurelia]

Heya portians!
Before this turns into a disaster, please try to keep discussion to the thread topic, and not eachother. :)

[Calamity Jess]

Originally posted by Disig:

Originally posted by Willow Rivers:

Early game you make other stuff with the lower tier equipment. Same process, find something that sells good and pump out the materials to make it and sell when the market is up.

Stone tables you just need Marble and Stone, easy early game money. Tires are decent as well, bronze bars and rubber tree plants.

There is early game ways to make money with the beginner machines.

I get that but that's not my point at all. My point is the progression feels all kinds of off. Like the game doesn't want you to do anything but build like crazy, and I thought this game was supposed to be more. Was just suggesting maybe giving people a breather early game to do other things.

The player's main focus is building in this game. While it has elements of Stardew Valley, or other farm life games it isn't the same priority. In Portia you have two large, successful farms already. Your character is the town's second builder.

So gardening is a side 'hobby' to help you be more self sufficient, and grow your own food for health/stamina regen rather than eating at the restaurant or buying from the stores every day. It's an element of the game, but not the focus like those other titles. Take SDV for example, your farm and animals were your main business, many of the villager requests were focused around produce and animal products that you produced on your farm. You had fishing, and mining, adventuring and logging and crafting to help support that, and create additional income.

Portia takes the crafting, and makes that your main focus. And in portia you have fishing, and gardening, and mining and logging to support that focus.

I don't have the machinery set up like others. I just kept my lower level tools as I added the more efficient ones. So my income isn't as swift as theirs. Yet I still managed within ~50 hours to get my house upgraded to lvl 2 (as high as it can go right now) and I just got my 30,000 property upgrade. I DO however think going from 30k to 120k is ridiculous since it's likely only going to open up a plot the same size as the 30k upgrade, and should be adjusted regardless of how easy (or not) it is to make money. It should increase in increments certainly, but there seem to be a couple steps missing between 30k and 120k.

If I remember right it was 1500 for the initial increase? I forget now but the other two were roughly...

15,000 gols for the lvl 3
30,000 for lvl 4 increase
(supported by wiki)
So the logical next step would be maybe 60k. Then go up to 90k and 120k.

I do want animal tending, but only if it's going to be a convenience. Ability to shear llamas, collect mucus from snails, manure etc. Oh and Eggs from chickens would be nice. But even that would only be a side venture here, because you're a builder not a farmer this time.

[Laz]

Originally posted by Calamity Jess:

Originally posted by Disig:

I get that but that's not my point at all. My point is the progression feels all kinds of off. Like the game doesn't want you to do anything but build like crazy, and I thought this game was supposed to be more. Was just suggesting maybe giving people a breather early game to do other things.

The player's main focus is building in this game. While it has elements of Stardew Valley, or other farm life games it isn't the same priority. In Portia you have two large, successful farms already. Your character is the town's second builder.

So gardening is a side 'hobby' to help you be more self sufficient, and grow your own food for health/stamina regen rather than eating at the restaurant or buying from the stores every day. It's an element of the game, but not the focus like those other titles. Take SDV for example, your farm and animals were your main business, many of the villager requests were focused around produce and animal products that you produced on your farm. You had fishing, and mining, adventuring and logging and crafting to help support that, and create additional income.

Portia takes the crafting, and makes that your main focus. And in portia you have fishing, and gardening, and mining and logging to support that focus.

I don't have the machinery set up like others. I just kept my lower level tools as I added the more efficient ones. So my income isn't as swift as theirs. Yet I still managed within ~50 hours to get my house upgraded to lvl 2 (as high as it can go right now) and I just got my 30,000 property upgrade. I DO however think going from 30k to 120k is ridiculous since it's likely only going to open up a plot the same size as the 30k upgrade, and should be adjusted regardless of how easy (or not) it is to make money. It should increase in increments certainly, but there seem to be a couple steps missing between 30k and 120k.

If I remember right it was 1500 for the initial increase? I forget now but the other two were roughly...

15,000 gols for the lvl 3
30,000 for lvl 4 increase
(supported by wiki)
So the logical next step would be maybe 60k. Then go up to 90k and 120k.

I do want animal tending, but only if it's going to be a convenience. Ability to shear llamas, collect mucus from snails, manure etc. Oh and Eggs from chickens would be nice. But even that would only be a side venture here, because you're a builder not a farmer this time.

I agree, I just feel like at the moment in game you just don't have time for the side ventures until the plot teeters off. It's like, you arrive and BAM BUILD BUILD BUILD oh, here's some stuff you can do but you ain't got time for that BUILD. Then the plot just drops off the face of the earth because it ain't developed yet and you're like....okay...maybe I'll do other stuff?

It feels super off to me. I'm probalby not doing a good job of explaining what i feel is really wrong, because I'm not great at game analysis, but i feel like it would be more fun to space things out more evenly.