Slay the Spire

Slay the Spire

Paranoia 2018 年 11 月 7 日 上午 12:33
Prismatic Shard is actually counterproductive to have
Playing Ironclad, I chose to take Prismatic Shard from the Shop for the express purpose of testing whether it is as bad as I thought it was. It was.

Having access to all Class Cards at once means that the pool of Cards is diluted to such extent that getting any kind of a synergy is next to impossible. As evidenced by that I had not got, within 10 fights, more than 2 Cards that actually work for the Character, and one of those was of my own class, and had to actually skip the Boss Reward Rare Card, since the one of my own Class did nothing (Limit Break and no source of Strength. Which I can not find since Ironclad Cards are 1/3th of what they used to be) and the two others would require I had something worth using them on (Thunder Strike (just guess) and Grand Finale (can't do, not a Silent).

And, apparently, without the Relic for four Cards to choose from, Neutral Cards actually do not spawn as choises. Or at least none did for me. Not once.


What I suggest:
1: Add an effect to Prismatic Shard: Triple the chance of getting Uncommon Cards.
This effect does not exist on its own, but the Rare equivalent does, and, as such, it should be trivial to readapt here.
What is achieved: Despite the absurdly diluted pool of Cards, one actually gets roughly the same amount of Uncommon ones per Class as one would get from their one Class without the Shard. Which allows one to actually find meaningful synergies reasonably. I mean, clearly the fun with this Card would be impossible combos, but the diluted pool makes finding any next to impossible as is.
AND
2: Colorless Card choise is randomised with the other three.
So there is one fourth of a chance, without the 4 Card option Relic, that any single Class or Colorless is not present. The Card says that Colorless Cards will spawn, I should not require another Relic for that to be actually true.
最后由 Paranoia 编辑于; 2018 年 11 月 7 日 上午 12:34
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Caos Spawn 2018 年 11 月 7 日 上午 2:41 
Well let's start by saying that Grand finale in Ironclad is OP, just True Grit all other cards and you deal 40 every turn

Then again why every relic need to be good or OP? There can be also the fun/unexpected side of the game?

I would decrease it's cost maybe but i think it's a cool relic and should be in the fun side
Paranoia 2018 年 11 月 7 日 上午 5:14 
引用自 Caos Spawn
Then again why every relic need to be good or OP? There can be also the fun/unexpected side of the game?

The issue is not that it is not good (though, as a Shop Relic (has to be specifically bought), some base utility would be nice), the issue is that it is literally detrimental to have, because it dilutes the pool of Cards without giving much anything in return.
In other words, buying it is a net loss even ignoring the cost.

Increasing the chance of Uncommon Cards would at least mean that it has some more benefit to, hopefully, drown out the downside of diluted Card pool. And making Neutral Cards actually appear would be according to its effect-description to begin with.
Caos Spawn 2018 年 11 月 7 日 下午 12:10 
Obvoisely isn't greate but you can win with it
True Grit in a Silent deck would be so OP
最后由 Caos Spawn 编辑于; 2018 年 11 月 7 日 下午 12:10
My Name is Mud 2018 年 11 月 8 日 下午 9:50 
Counterpoint: Ironclad cards that aren't one of the four good ones are counterproductive to Prismatic Shard.
Caos Spawn 2018 年 11 月 9 日 上午 1:09 
Well to me is more about fun you see?
If i am in A20 tryharding probably i don't even have enought money to buy it since i would much rather remove a strike
In normal run i like to dream bigger you know?
Berik Xardas 2018 年 11 月 9 日 上午 9:53 
I now sound like a party pooper, but I personally think prismatic shard should not exist in its current form. Well, not in normal and ascension runs.
Don't get me wrong, I find the concept of this relic to be cool, but somehow it doesn't... fit (as for the lore). IC gets his hands on this, and can suddenly channel orbs? Defect can suddenly juggle around with poisoned knives? And Silent can become a pumped up muscular DEMON? Sorry, she is a Wraith to me :P

Just a reminder, all I said is only my opinion under the condition we're talking about normal story-runs, not daily or custon shenanigans.

So I think Prismatic Shard should only enable the colorless cards to be in your reward pool, not the other 2 colors. But not with a too high chance of them appearing.
Paranoia 2018 年 11 月 9 日 下午 12:05 
引用自 Berik Xardas
So I think Prismatic Shard should only enable the colorless cards to be in your reward pool, not the other 2 colors. But not with a too high chance of them appearing.

Do not mistake me either, I do not fancy this Prism either much any. But, assuming its nature is not to change fundamentally, this was the easiest fix I could figure.

I would, in fact, prefer Prism the way you figure it, but making it so that one out of the three choises given is always a random Neutral.
Too rare a chance and one used 200+ Gold on nothing at all.
最后由 Paranoia 编辑于; 2018 年 11 月 9 日 下午 12:05
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