Anyone realise this game is like 1 hour long?

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Beating the game with all characters technically takes about an hour. Once you do that, what exactly is the point of playing further? I have around 200 hours in this plus another 130 on my Switch but still, what is the point?

I do try different builds and not every run is successful (I didn't beat the last boss until 6 hours in) but not everyone is like this. And it is a good game but I am so confused on how this is the greatest roguelike deck builder of all time when it is so short and lets face it, ugly.

I am not being salty, if you think I am then you need to look in the mirror and duplicate your best card.

[Spawnling]

After unlocking all achievements and getting to a20 I went back to a10-15 to try out fun builds that wouldn't work on a20.

Had a lot of fun with it, like playing 8 catalysts in a turn, or beating Time Eater with a 4 card deck (anger, demon form, 2 block).

[Banzai]

Since you seem to think that the game can be beaten in an hour (?) and yet have played for over 300hrs, surely you can answer your own question as to what the point is in playing further?

[Zu]

Is this supposed to be some clever satire of sorts?

Originally posted by sweetcorn:

I have around 200 hours in this plus another 130 on my Switch but still, what is the point?

Idk. It's almost like people (re)play games for FUN. You prolly had some of it in those 330 hours. My dad has been playing Tetris for decades and is still not tired of it.

[Romaki]

Damn guys, did you know that Yahtzee is only 1 hour long? Once you played it once you're just trying to replicate your best dice roll, so what's the point?

[Jimmy Hunter]

Originally posted by Romaki:

Damn guys, did you know that Yahtzee is only 1 hour long? Once you played it once you're just trying to replicate your best dice roll, so what's the point?

1 hour? I beat it in 20 minutes and I wasn't even speedrunning it. Game devs behind Yahtzee need to add more content.

[LHGreen]

It's a roguelike, of course it's short. Individual runs are supposed to be short.

[1.2M | Missingno.]

What's the point of chess? A blitz match is only 3 minutes, 10 if you play rapid. What am I supposed to do next?

[The Yeen Queen]

Because no 2 runs are the same. You're going to have to adapt your strategies to how the dice land every run. That's enough to keep people coming back.

and if you're trying to tell me you've gotten heart kills with every character within your first HOUR of playing the game ever, I'm going to have to call BS on that one.

[LHGreen]

Originally posted by sweetcorn:

I meant its possible to kill the heart with every character in around 1 hour. Not saying I can but there is a chance for a good player or super luck.

On a fresh file, you'd have to average no more than 8 1/2 minutes per run to do that.

Originally posted by sweetcorn:

I don't agree

Have you played long roguelikes? Any more than 2-3 hours per run is a pain in the ass.

[Spawnling]

Originally posted by sweetcorn:

Originally posted by LHGreen:

It's a roguelike, of course it's short. Individual runs are supposed to be short.

I don't agree but lets pretend that you are correct. That seems like bad game design? Lets look at hades which is also a rouge like. Yes the runs are short but when you die or complete a run, the game continues. Here, the game just ends whether you win or lose. If that is done on purpose then what is the point? After a single run you are back at the start, the only thing I can think off that would affect other runs is if you were to get up to the first boss (Lets you start with more options) or that event where you can store a card for another run. Those are really really small things that dont progress the game in the same way as hades.

I still think the game is amazing but I just had to point this out.

Well, you're pointing out that a roguelike plays like a roguelike.

[LHGreen]

Originally posted by sweetcorn:

Yes the runs are short but when you die or complete a run, the game continues. Here, the game just ends whether you win or lose. If that is done on purpose then what is the point? After a single run you are back at the start, the only thing I can think off that would affect other runs is if you were to get up to the first boss (Lets you start with more options) or that event where you can store a card for another run. Those are really really small things that dont progress the game in the same way as hades.

You're talking about metaprogression. That's roguelites, NOT roguelikes. Which is fine, for roguelites, but there's a lot more of them around lately, and it's a dirty word for roguelikes. There's a lot of purists who want to keep metaprogression as far from roguelikes a possible.

Originally posted by sweetcorn:

Lets look at it from someone elses perspective. Lets say someone doesnt like this game but the accidentally leave it on idle for 300 hours. Does that suddenly mean they love the game? No, but their playtime says 300 hours! Its a confusing scenario for people that dont know that he didnt really play it.

Uh-huh. So, just a wild guess, but is that what you did?

Originally posted by sweetcorn:

Why not just go for the best outcome if you already beat the game?

Same reason you don't do that in Yahtzee. You don't always have that option. You try to do as well as you can, but ultimately, you play the odds and try to work with what you get.

Originally posted by sweetcorn:

The dev made it so that each run, you will have to adapt and make use of what you are given.

Yes, that's the entire point of this. Each time, you have to think around different problems.

[pgames-food]

hi sweetcorn :)
just in case you havent had chance to try yet, there are lots of super mods available for the game too.

i like playing with a bunch of different mods, since i like all the variety it can bring, and its truly never the same game twice - but, you can also mix and match mods for an Endless/Infinite mode, where you have to keep improving your abilities constantly, to try and beat the bigger / harder bosses,

for example here:
https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198047650167/images/?appid=646570

(unfortunately, this process can only go so far, before "something" happens, but luckily it still allows for a long and fun play session/s) :)

- (eg, with too many mods, the game could have a conflict and crash hard, rather than soft fail ) maybe programming decision or just the way jave works?) :)

- if you get all of the relics, or cards from a certain pool, something could crash

- if you get too many synergistic combos, each turn could take 5 minutes at the start of a turn (or during), while each effect bounces off another effect, which re-triggers itself in another way etc :) but still can be quite cool to watch, and there some mods which can predict/condense the final counts into 1 bigger effect.

- once the deck goes past a certain size (in the thousands), the game can start lagging / maybe a gfx/cpu or final bottleneck of too many things in ram.
but its all good fun :)

slay the spire, is also one of the games that i feel i could make more progress in it, if it wasnt for those meddling kids (i mean other issues)
+
stellaris with the reborn II huge modpack, just before the endgame happens, it crashes, when i think i would win but cant get chance to

[Daydream King]

^^^^^Play with Mods. So many good ones. People have made very cool characters. Just play some Packmaster runs, and you'll have so many different kinds of runs.

[Banzai]

Originally posted by sweetcorn:

You're missing the point. Lets look at it from someone elses perspective. Lets say someone doesnt like this game but the accidentally leave it on idle for 300 hours. Does that suddenly mean they love the game? No, but their playtime says 300 hours! Its a confusing scenario for people that dont know that he didnt really play it.

And what relevance would it or should it have to me if some random person leaves the game on and doesnt play it. I would have to notice to be surprised and if I did notice I wouldnt care. So that brings us back to the question, why have you played it for over 300 hrs? I mean the answer is obvious - because its an enjoyable game. Coincidentally thats going to be the answer to the question you raise in your OP.

Also has to be said that you suggest you could beat the game in an hour with every character which really isnt true. At a bare minimum you would have to beat the act 3 boss with 3 characters to unlock the keys and then play all those characters again to beat the heart. You even admit that you would have to be extremely good at the game to do this which would surely rule out all these brand new players who will be spending a lot of their early time in the game figuring things out.

[pgames-food]

Originally posted by Daydream King:

^^^^^Play with Mods. So many good ones. People have made very cool characters. Just play some Packmaster runs, and you'll have so many different kinds of runs.

ooh packmaster plus that chimera mod adds tons of random effects :)