Why is gremlin nob still not nerfed

[splitsticks]

So many fun skill cards and you can't take any of them on floor 1 or you lose to gremlin nob. The problem isn't that gremlin nob is op, but that it's flat out bad for the fun of the game. it ruins whole playstyles by itself. Sure you can still have skill-focused decks if you build into them after floor 1, but they'll never be as viable as they could be. Gremlin Nob is the only enemy that I lose to and ask myself "why am I playing this game", because I absolutely despise how this elite warps the game. I LIKE SKILL CARDS. THEY'RE FUN. LET ME USE THEM.

[Cress]

"Skill" issue. Sorry, couldn't help myself ;)

Yea, Nob can definitely limit taking too many skills early in Act 1, but it's not like if you pick up a skill or two that you're just dead against him, you just need to balance the deck with some attacks as well and maybe pop a potion. I would say this affects Silent the most since her skills are some of the best, but you really shouldn't be taking too many skills regardless of Nob's existence since you need offence to steam through the boss and fights in Act 2 as well. Like, are you just going to try to block Book of Stabbing or Slavers? You dead.

Depends on Ascension level as well, you can get away with a more defensive deck until later in the game around A17+ when enemies/elites/bosses get their moveset upgraded. Would say this is mostly a bad habit to get out of, and Nob is simply one way the game nudges you in the right direction.

No nerf incoming, nor is it required. Sorry.

[trial_by_fire]

Originally posted by Cress:

"Skill" issue. Sorry, couldn't help myself ;)

Ok, I admit, I laughed a bit.

Err..hum... back to the topic....

Believe it or not, your don't have to fight any elites on Act 1 and you can still win.

I'm not saying that is the best decision, but it can be done. You just have to make strategic decisions.

I don't like builds, and I don't recommend them. But you can 'lean' toward certain types if you do so strategically. Just don't 'lean' so hard that it becomes a bad decision and costs you the game.

[Zu]

Sounds more like you lack sufficient damage, not necessarily that skills are intrinsically less viable because nob exists. I mean, you wanna kill stuff fast throughout all of act 1.

[TimTim3000]

I like nob because it's a uniquely interesting and difficult challenge, like so many other encounters in the spire. I haven't died to it any more often than the others though, so I don't see a problem with it either. It's actually a good "damage check" early on in your run.

[1.2M | Missingno.]

The most important lesson StS is trying to teach you is to build for the challenges ahead of you rather than just picking cards you like in a vacuum. This isn’t a problem with Spire, I would actually argue it's good game design compared to some other games that let you just hunt for one broken synergy that'll carry you. Nearly everything gets countered somewhere, so you have to plan accordingly.

Act 1 is trying to get you to prioritize damage first. If you try to make a hyperdefensive deck too early, you will also die to Lagavulin (too much damage and Str/Dex drain) and Sentries (deck becomes flooded with Dazes) too. That's not just Nob, and the fact that it's a clear theme should tell you something about how the game is intentionally designed.

If you know where your error lies, don't just keep making the same mistake repeatedly and blaming the game for it.

[Nibbie]

Every single elite and boss in act 1 incentivizes having high damage over high defense, which in the majority of cases means having more attacks. It's not like those attacks are useless after act 1 either, with encounters like the birds, the head, and the tangela incentivizing having attacks as well. As above, it's hardly like you need to skip any skills in act 1 (at worst, it is only a 50% chance to face the Nob), you just have to prioritize damage for the first few fights. It is almost like what one considers the most fun, and what actually works well, are not always the same (and that applies to most every game in existence).

[Lavie]

Hi!

As others have said before me, you have to prioritize cards that cause damage at the start. Even if these are cards you would prefer to avoid, you have to think short term for Act 1 and take whatever damage comes your way.

[pfm_nb]

Originally posted by Missingno.:

The most important lesson StS is trying to teach you is to build for the challenges ahead of you rather than just picking cards you like in a vacuum. This isn’t a problem with Spire, I would actually argue it's good game design compared to some other games that let you just hunt for one broken synergy that'll carry you. Nearly everything gets countered somewhere, so you have to plan accordingly.

Act 1 is trying to get you to prioritize damage first. If you try to make a hyperdefensive deck too early, you will also die to Lagavulin (too much damage and Str/Dex drain) and Sentries (deck becomes flooded with Dazes) too. That's not just Nob, and the fact that it's a clear theme should tell you something about how the game is intentionally designed.

If you know where your error lies, don't just keep making the same mistake repeatedly and blaming the game for it.

No the opposite :D every card I get can transform my deck entirely in a second. I want a damage deck - ups this artifact just transformed you into a glass canon life stealer. You want a multi orb deck, uh lala you just became a one orb focus multi power card a turn monster. A defense hunter who can tank everything - here's a million daggers that deal 60 damage a turn. Also as long as you finish the boss fight with one HP you good.

[overmage]

This is by design, so you can't beat the game just by building long-term. Nob exists so that late-game builds don't trivialize the game.