Runic pyramid should RETAIN your cards, not just "not-discard" your cards

[Vik]

Can't express my disappointment enough. Finally managed to get Runic Pyramid and Establishment (Whenever a card is retained, reduce its cost by 1) just to find out that it doesn't have synergy.

Had my hand clogged with 3 cost stuff because of Sneckos Eye and they didn't get reduced. Nearly lost me the run.

[1.2M | Missingno.]

Establishment is exactly why Runic Pyramid does not have the Retain keyword. That would be way too broken.

[incendia]

Yeah I'm sure they made a very concious decision to not have that interaction in the game because it would instantly define every single watcher run where you'd have a pyramid offered to you and it would undoubtedly end up being unhealthy.

[1.2M | Missingno.]

It'd be almost as ridiculous as letting Dead Branch interact with Corruption. Good thing that's not in the game, right?

[RodHull]

Originally posted by Vinvin:

Sneckos Eye and they didn't get reduced. Nearly lost me the run.

That awful potion literally just cost me a run with the watcher, on 3rd act had it burning a hole and have never used it before thought 'why not' drew all my 5 most important cards and set their costs to 3 ... GG learned a lesson there NEVER use that garbage potion ever again!

[Crater]

Originally posted by Mega Missingno.:

It'd be almost as ridiculous as letting Dead Branch interact with Corruption. Good thing that's not in the game, right?

Implying that ironclad is anywhere near as OP as Watcher to begin with

[DJDiceZ]

Originally posted by RodHull:

Originally posted by Vinvin:

Sneckos Eye and they didn't get reduced. Nearly lost me the run.

That awful potion literally just cost me a run with the watcher, on 3rd act had it burning a hole and have never used it before thought 'why not' drew all my 5 most important cards and set their costs to 3 ... GG learned a lesson there NEVER use that garbage potion ever again!

Snecko Eye, not Snecko Oil.

That being said, it's a general truth that Snecko Eye + Pyramid is dangerous. No matter what character you have. Not specific to Watcher.

Also, if Establishement worked with Pyramid, for the nth time: That would be BEYOND F'IN OP, and the strongest combo in the game besides branch/corruption, perhaps even stronger.

[Mec]

I don't really get how establishment + pyramid would be that op compared to deva form letting you pretty much play your entire hand every time after a couple turns. Or you can omniscience it to make it even more ridiculous. The limiting factor is usually draws, not energy budget.

[DJDiceZ]

Originally posted by Mec:

I don't really get how establishment + pyramid would be that op compared to deva form letting you pretty much play your entire hand every time after a couple turns. Or you can omniscience it to make it even more ridiculous. The limiting factor is usually draws, not energy budget.

Because, as you stated, Deva Form has a limiting factor. This doesn't. Your entire deck won't cost 0 energy for the rest of the combat after a few turns. There's not even an upfront cost on OP's suggestion. Like just... no. It's not even comparable, that would just be insane. Deva form is weak next to that.

[Mec]

I'm not seeing a huge difference between getting around 15 energy per turn + stance swapping shenanigans and everything costing 0 is what I'm saying.

[DJDiceZ]

Originally posted by Mec:

I'm not seeing a huge difference between getting around 15 energy per turn + stance swapping shenanigans and everything costing 0 is what I'm saying.

The fact that it works from turn 1, without any disadvantage, without costing you a turn, and scales much faster than Deva Form, isn't limited by draw, etc...

These are huge.

15 energy per turn? It's gonna take you at the very least 10 turns to reach that. Most fights are over or about to end by then.

Plus, Form cards are supposed to be strong.

[desolation0]

My problem isn't that it doesn't interact as retain in its own right, but it seems to interact in a way that removes retain as a function iirc, so cards that already have retain don't get retained and don't get their cost reduced.

As for Deva scaling, it would only usually need two to three turns before you can effectively cycle most five card hands without too much draw. The real problem may be that you can so easily set up Establishment with Innate, making it automatic each round. With Deva you still need the appropriate Bottle relic.

Heavens help if you're in a Smite, Shiv, or Exhaust deck and accidentally picked up Branch as well.

[sandman25dcsss]

Don't take pyramid if it makes your deck worse.

[Aytum]

Originally posted by sandman25dcsss:

Don't take pyramid if it makes your deck worse.

Don't listen to this person. Awful advice.

[Gentlest Giant]

Originally posted by Aytum:

Originally posted by sandman25dcsss:

Don't take pyramid if it makes your deck worse.

Don't listen to this person. Awful advice.

What xD
Edit: lol ok, missed the sarcasm.