Snecko Eye is the worst boss relic in the game

[Big Ol' Burr]

You can't change my mind.

I would rather Velvet Choker than the sneko turd, holy hell it's so useless.

[Hedning]

引用自 Khor：

引用自 Hedning：

Imagine the grind to get to a20 on all characters if you had to beat the heart. I went for the heart every run until I quit playing for a while. Now that I am back I figure that if I am not dropping it I will never "complete" the game. I haven't even made it to a20 on my first character and there are 3 more to do. Better to get to a20 and then start going for the heart. I still wouldn't consider it a real win if you don't do the heart, just a skip to help speed up the grind.

You know you can skip the grind altogether if it`s boring, right?

I don't want to cheat and I didn't say it was boring.

[D E X I I I]

引用自 mldb88：

Yet it still lets you continue climbing ascensions WITHOUT a heart kill sooooo..... that's debatable....

I guess it's just because ascension were introduced earlier to give players additional challenges, while act 4 wasn't ready yet, and the heart was originally designed like a true ending. Collecting keys is significant and cool mechanics. Tabletop adaptation has it as well. So I can't call it something optional

[Kiru]

The main issue of Snecko is that you usually get it too late. You can't design your deck assuming you get it, so you will have to take cheap cards, including 0 cost. It also messes with a lot of deck ideas in general. With an average cost of 1.5 you can play an average amount of 2 cards per turn with 3 energy. Plenty of decks have cards to raise this by gaining energy. Snecko is incompatible with that.

It's definitely pretty bad, but can be okay if you'd directly start with it. Still though. Pretty bad.

[1.2M | Missingno.]

It's one of the best relics in the game. As I said before, thinking about costs as 1.5 is not correct.

[LHGreen]

引用自 Kiru：

The main issue of Snecko is that you usually get it too late.

That is indeed the main issue, but getting it as a starting relic, or in act 1, can help with that.

[GalloglassCA]

Hey bad take guy with another bad take about someone calling the heart unbalanced.

People saying it's not a "real" run if it's not a heart kill are just being silly elitists in a single player game. But the heart fight is just fine balance wise and those are two separate things.

[1.2M | Missingno.]

Act 2 might be a little late, but even then it's pickable more often than you'd think. Act 1 is very often a great time to get it.

[overmage]

引用自 Kiru：

The main issue of Snecko is that you usually get it too late. You can't design your deck assuming you get it, so you will have to take cheap cards, including 0 cost.

That's a ticket to failing A20H. You're not supposed to "design" your deck for anything. The decks with the best win percentages adapt according to the situation. Also, most of Act 1 is typically trivialized by a 2-cost card such as Dash, Immolate or Hyperbeam.

[mldb88]

引用自 overmage：

引用自 Kiru：

The main issue of Snecko is that you usually get it too late. You can't design your deck assuming you get it, so you will have to take cheap cards, including 0 cost.

That's a ticket to failing A20H. You're not supposed to "design" your deck for anything. The decks with the best win percentages adapt according to the situation. Also, most of Act 1 is typically trivialized by a 2-cost card such as Dash, Immolate or Hyperbeam.

Exactly this. The only time you can “design” your deck around it is if you get it when trading your starting relic for a boss relic. I do agree getting it too late can kinda suck though, and it’s better for some classes than others. People also tend to severely undervalue the extra draw it gives you to help balance out the randomness. The odds of getting a completely unplayable 7 card hand is pretty low even on just 3 energy, though you might have to consider play order more carefully (0s first then power if mummified hand, discard effects to drop unplayable or cards you know you won’t play then sneaky strike for the +2 energy, etc).

[Cress]

The best way to look at Snecko eye, paraphrasing from a very good player (and possibly messing it up):

Starting deck has 3 energy, therefore you can expect to play 2-4 cards per turn (depending on hero chosen). You only get to look at 5 cards.

Snecko starting deck can look at 7 cards, and the chances of you being able to play at least 2-4 cards is quite high.

So, you essentially break even and have more cards to look at every turn. Snecko is better on certain heros obviously, but that is the general gist of it.

[LHGreen]

引用自 mldb88：

引用自 overmage：

That's a ticket to failing A20H. You're not supposed to "design" your deck for anything. The decks with the best win percentages adapt according to the situation. Also, most of Act 1 is typically trivialized by a 2-cost card such as Dash, Immolate or Hyperbeam.

Exactly this. The only time you can “design” your deck around it is if you get it when trading your starting relic for a boss relic. I do agree getting it too late can kinda suck though, and it’s better for some classes than others. People also tend to severely undervalue the extra draw it gives you to help balance out the randomness. The odds of getting a completely unplayable 7 card hand is pretty low even on just 3 energy, though you might have to consider play order more carefully (0s first then power if mummified hand, discard effects to drop unplayable or cards you know you won’t play then sneaky strike for the +2 energy, etc).

Well, this raises an interesting question. What exactly counts as "adapting" to a situation? Building your deck to account for and take advantage of your relics, in addition to potential upcoming encounters and other cards in your deck, is often considered good advice, after all.

引用自 LizzyInAbox：

People saying it's not a "real" run if it's not a heart kill are just being silly elitists in a single player game. But the heart fight is just fine balance wise and those are two separate things.

See, Neko Time? It's not really a toxic community, per se, as even the people who disagree with your assessment still fully support how you choose to play. Like, this is pretty much exactly what I said, just rephrased. And more unnecessarily confrontational, granted, but still....

[The Yeen Queen]

引用自 Big Ol' Burr：

You can't change my mind.

I would rather Velvet Choker than the sneko turd, holy hell it's so useless.

Like many relics, it's VERY situational. If you don't build around it, it's terrible. But if you do, it can be great.

[Gentlest Giant]

Hypothesis:
If players that do NOT think Snecko Eye is among the best boss relics in the game and/or describe it as situational (which is technically true, but so is everything else) or has other reservations about it would start picking Snecko 100% of the time it is offered, their winrates would improve. The improvement in winrate would correspond linearly to the increase in pickrate.

Reasoning:
#1 Players with these opinions are too cautious about what decks are snecko-compatible.
#2 Over time, players would start building decks that are more snecko-compatible.

Edit: Yes, even Silent. Probably especially Silent.

[Cress]

引用自 Toxic Giant：

Hypothesis:
If players that do NOT think Snecko Eye is among the best boss relics in the game and/or describe it as situational (which is technically true, but so is everything else) or has other reservations about it would start picking Snecko 100% of the time it is offered, their winrates would improve. The improvement in winrate would correspond linearly to the increase in pickrate.

Reasoning:
#1 Players with these opinions are too cautious about what decks are snecko-compatible.
#2 Over time, players would start building decks that are more snecko-compatible.

Edit: Yes, even Silent. Probably especially Silent.

Even if they did pick it, it's not like simply picking Snecko will grant you a win. They still need to path through the acts, pick cards, make serious decisions that will affect them for the entire game. This is where they fail. They just would rather blame it on the one turn Snecko didn't go their way. "Copium" is the term.

[LHGreen]

引用自 Toxic Giant：

Hypothesis:
If players that do NOT think Snecko Eye is among the best boss relics in the game and/or describe it as situational (which is technically true, but so is everything else) or has other reservations about it would start picking Snecko 100% of the time it is offered, their winrates would improve. The improvement in winrate would correspond linearly to the increase in pickrate.

Reasoning:
#1 Players with these opinions are too cautious about what decks are snecko-compatible.
#2 Over time, players would start building decks that are more snecko-compatible.

Edit: Yes, even Silent. Probably especially Silent.

But if people were already building decks that are more Snecko-compatible, then of course their win rates would get better when they pick it, and they likely wouldn't be as high in runs where Snecko Eye wasn't offered. That's not a hypothesis, it's just a self-fulfilling prophesy.

Also, this hypothesis is literally presented as:

1. Start a run
2. Pick Snecko Eye
3. ????
4. PROFIT!

...so it's not exactly helpful advice. Nor is it an even remotely decent argument, for that matter.

None of which is to say that it's not one of the best boss relics in the game, it absolutely is.