Snecko Eye is the worst boss relic in the game

[Big Ol' Burr]

You can't change my mind.

I would rather Velvet Choker than the sneko turd, holy hell it's so useless.

[Cress]

Oprindeligt skrevet af LHGreen:

Lol, Velvet Choker and several Vaults combo ftw, though. Only problem is getting that many.

I guess lol... you could argue that you would still be getting much more value out of the vault had you been able to play more than 5 cards before popping it. Vault is just a good card.

[1.2M | Missingno.]

How often do you have enough energy to play six other cards and a Vault?

[overmage]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Mega Missingno.:

How often do you have enough energy to play six other cards and a Vault?

On Watcher? More often than you think, Watcher seldom has energy issues
This is not in favour of choker in case it wasn't clear

[Cress]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Mega Missingno.:

How often do you have enough energy to play six other cards and a Vault?

Once you're able to stance dance, you will be crying at how many cards you could have played had you not taken choker. 6 cards is pitiful on watcher for sure. Flurry of blows is also a thing, except it isn't with choker. The list goes on... but yea, it's pretty easy to be playing 6+ cards by act 2.

How to have enough energy? 3 base + 1 choker + 1 miracle + 2 for stance out of calm = 7 energy that's not hard to come by, and that's on a very basic deck. Oh, and miracle counts as a card play RIPs.

Yea, it's bad on watcher. The fact that vault is useful in literally any deck known to man does not make up for this.

[1.2M | Missingno.]

Obviously you don't take Choker if you're trying to go infinite, or at least semi-infinite. But you're also probably not playing Vault on the big turn, it's more of an early setup tool while you find Rushdown and thin your draw pile.

[Cress]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Mega Missingno.:

Obviously you don't take Choker if you're trying to go infinite, or at least semi-infinite. But you're also probably not playing Vault on the big turn, it's more of an early setup tool while you find Rushdown and thin your draw pile.

No trying to say it's impossible... I'm sure someone can find some "pro" run where they masterfully showcase how to pull off A20H with choker watcher. But it's very limiting to a deck that has the highest potential for card spam in the game. It's like taking a hammer to hammer in a screw... it will work, sure, but it's also kinda dumb.

[Cress]

If anyone is curious about what one of the top players in the world thinks about these relics (as opposed to just random internet doods), I would suggest checking these out. He doesn't really go in-depth because he would need at least (4 classes * 3 acts) 12 different tier lists, but it's still enlightening to hear his overall impressions regarding them.

Choker (TL;DW it's either S-teir or D-tier depending on class):

Snecko (TL;DW S-tier, git gud):

https://youtu.be/j8mgqsdEJ3E?t=1810

(edit realising that timestamps don't work on steam and he has timestamp in video anyways... just click it I guess)

[Test]

Actually iirc Baalorlord had a run or two during his recent win streak where he took choker and during his video with jorbs talks about it.

[Cress]

Oprindeligt skrevet af LizzyInAbox:

Actually iirc Baalorlord had a run or two during his recent win streak where he took choker and during his video with jorbs talks about it.

Please link if you could, would love to see it! Those two collectively know more about STT than the entire world combined lol.

[Hedning]

Just came back to this game after a long break. Resumed my defect on ascension 16. Got Snecko eye. Immediate win. Feels pretty good.

[Test]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Cress:

Oprindeligt skrevet af LizzyInAbox:

Actually iirc Baalorlord had a run or two during his recent win streak where he took choker and during his video with jorbs talks about it.

Please link if you could, would love to see it! Those two collectively know more about STT than the entire world combined lol.

When I get in from work I'll see. I'm terrible at formatting stuff on steam.

[R3DSH1RTS]

Oprindeligt skrevet af LHGreen:

We don't have to change your mind, you'll change it yourself when you learn to use it better.

My run where 5 of my best cards drew with 3 energy cost would like a talk with you.

[1.2M | Missingno.]

And how many runs have you had where a 5 card hand didn't draw what you needed at all? "Snecko sucks because one time I got a bad roll once" isn't the right way to look at it, that's just confirmation bias.

[HAWAIIANpikachu]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Mega Missingno.:

And how many runs have you had where a 5 card hand didn't draw what you needed at all? "Snecko sucks because one time I got a bad roll once" isn't the right way to look at it, that's just confirmation bias.

i mean that's all it could take to end a run, one bad roll with most of your hand being 2-3s can easily break it. And it has huge anti-synergy with Runic Pyramid, which I probably overvalue but love it a lot more than Snecko Eye.

[1.2M | Missingno.]

One bad 5 card hand can end a run too. The question you should be asking is whether Snecko Eye is more likely to kill you than not having Snecko Eye, and statistically the answer is no.