Immolation and Wraith Form Nerf

[TheWashableBomb]

"While in the process, we also reworked some of our most unpopular cards."

Sooo... Immolation and Wraith Form are some of your "most unpopular cards", so you nerfed them? What?

Wraith Form wasn't very good but it's worse now. It's basically a death sentence unless you kill everything in three turns and costs a huge amount. Intangible isn't that awesome.

Immolation was a fun card that could be made very powerful in a few situations. Now it just hurts you for a minor damage buff.

EDIT: I'm wrong; it's not a nerf. It sure is less interesting though and another step toward making the aggro meta the only one that matters.

[ZappyDoggo]

New Wraith form is fun, but still isn't easy to use without a lot of other 'good' cards.

I keep hearing the new 'immolate' card, and I never got to use it much, but now with it's nerf, it doesn't sound like it'd be of use in a status-based deck.

[Morphic]

Publicado originalmente por Wanderer14:

New Immolate is slightly weaker, damage-to-energy wise, but not needing a status or curse card to use it is nice. Kinda miss using it to exhaust statuses, but overall I think it's still nice to have, especially when you're already building around it (and Reckless Charge now also plays into a status/Evolve deck).

Yeah, after playing with New Immolate I agree with you.

IMO, it didn't get nerfed or "buffed" just changed. Personally I much prefer the Old Immolate due to the 1 Cost Exhaust, the damage was "a bonus" for me. 'Course I was using Immolate as a source of Exhaust if I couldn't get a Status Deck going or find other Exhaust.

New Immolate though is pretty handy. I've had some nice interactions with its Burns and Fiend Fire.

[PPPPPPPP270]

If anyone actually playing the recent silent challenge that gave you every rare card which also includes wraith form. You would see that it was one of hte most important cards that run because you had plated armor which basically made you invincible for 3-4 turns.

[lordatog]

After using it for a few runs, I feel safe in saying that the new Wraith Form is the best card in the game by far, and really, really needs to be nerfed. The Dex loss has literally not mattered to me a single time. Just don't play the card unless the match is ending within 3-4 turns. Most regular enemy fights don't even last that long anyway, so that's a freebie. If you have Well-laid Plans, you can hang onto it until the time is right and abuse the heck out of it. The absolute worst-case scenario is that you draw it too early to be useful, then don't see it again. This is rare - you need a durable opponent, an unusually large deck, poor card draw, or both, AND poor luck with card order. Even in that case, all that happens is that you drew one dead card for one turn. You also CAN play it early if you absolutely have to. Even if you think it will take another 7-8 turns to win, blocking that Hyper Beam might still be a good idea.

Of course, all of the above assumes you only have one Wraith Form. But you can get more, and it STACKS. Yes, the drawback stacks too, but there is no chance of that ever actually mattering. And if you play Nightmare on it... well, you can do that turn one against a boss and happily ignore all of its attacks for the whole fight.

[shbouwhuis]

@lordatog
Ok, I'll try your suggestion. I really had the feeling Wraith Form was very very bad. I played the un-upgraded version 3 times, and it HURT me A LOT all three times.

[1.2M | Missingno.]

You just bumped a thread from April 2018. Why?

[Khor]

Man. Another blast from the past

[DuckSonata]

Let me guess, you were travelling back to 2018 from some point before then and sent this message while in transit, right? Always always always wait until the time travel vehicle has come to a complete stop before sending any sort of electromagnetic transmission. Think of it like tossing something out of a moving car: your message has temporal momentum that will continue to propel (impel?) it in whichever direction you're travelling even after it has moved beyond the effects of your vehicle. You're lucky it only arrived a year late. It could easily have ended up in the year 50000 if you had been going a little faster.

[shbouwhuis]

I hadn't noticed this thread was old. I just searched for this card to see whether there was any good use for it.

[Dusk_Army]

Publicado originalmente por shbouwhuis:

I hadn't noticed this thread was old. I just searched for this card to see whether there was any good use for it.

To be clear, this thread is from back when Immolation was "Exhaust a card in your hand; if it's a curse or status, deal damage to all enemies" and Wraith Form was "Deal damage to all enemies every time you play a skill." Between that fact and the addition of Act 4, almost none of the comments in this thread have any bearing on the game as it currently stands.

[Zu]

https://steamcommunity.com/games/646570/announcements/detail/1667896941894635355

Patch April 13th. Thread 3 hours later. Seems fine.
#Edit: Let's ignore how wraith used to be even more busted. LUL
And tbh, I never cared much about who necros what.

[gwaihirj]

As someone who wasn't playing StS in 4/18, that's what strikes me about this. Wraithform used to be even worse? Wow!

[1.2M | Missingno.]

It's one of the best cards in the game now.

[gwaihirj]

Wraithform? If so I'm missing something! I will freely admit there's a lot about StS I don't know but Wraithform seems only useful in very particular situations It gives you two turns of approximate invincibility but they are two in a row, and after that you suck. If I can be sure I will finish the fight in two turns, I am probably not doing too badly anyway. For instance, if it's an act 2 fight with multiple enemies, I have probably already taken some of them down. In other words, the way I see it in most situations Wraithform is only powerful if you are already powerful. In addition it sucks against bosses since it's dead weight most of the fight.

[Zu]

Act 2 elite hunting is a joke with wraith form(s). Try it some time. You'll also appreciate those 2-3 turns you don't have to spend blocking against jaw worm hordes or spire growth.

You can cheese transient, reptomancer daggers, giant head, double orb walkers. I dare say it's even fine if you happen to find it in act 1 where things like big slimes and nobvulin hit pretty hard.

As for bosses, it lets you cheese the last few turns of dumb variance aka slime boss, tank upgraded burns, let guardian do the big swing again and/or reduce the retaliation, cheese champ's execute, hyperbeam and another double hit, or work on killing stuff while you're super debuffed for 5 turns or ignore the torches entirely near the end of the fight.

Also, orange pellets. Also stacking intangible with even more wraith forms or apparitions. Like, the times when the downside actually outweighs the massive upside are so few and far between.