Warcry. Is it worth it?

[Direbear]

Maybe I'm missing something but I cannot get idea of this card. So this card takes one slot. I play it for 1 energy and take 2 cards and remove 1 from my hand. So I draw 2 cards and lost 2 cards. And I lost 1 energy. So I spend 1 energy to conserve one card from my hand to use it on next turn. Looks like very bad trade.
Moreover there are colorless card "Thinking Ahead" which does not cost energy and do not exhaust.
I think warcry should increase my draw by one for 1 turn. So next turn I will get conserved card for free. So for 1 energy I recieve +1 to draw speed and ability to save one card for next turn.

[Romain672]

Thinking Ahead is gold rarity.
Warcry is (common?), Warcry upgraded cost only 0 and have exhaust, so you can use it for free for change two of your cards.

[Capernaum]

Comparing a class card to a 200g~ colorless card will never look favorable, ever. Warcry isn't supposed to be as good as that, if it were as a common card you'd be able to win 100% of Ironclad runs. No, it shouldn't be made rare and better either, that's what Offering is for.

Warcry is great and it's one of the cards I consistently take at least one of on every Ironclad run if I'm able. Compare it to Acrobatics (also a great card, only for the Silent), you do draw one less at a base but it let's you do a lot of cute stuff like shove Heavy Blade so you can pump up your Strength and then unload with it next turn, or throw Impervious on the top of your deck because you know a boss is going to Hyper Beam next turn.

On top of that, upgraded it's insane, 0 mana for a +1 card draw that let's you prep your next turn. Some of my best decks had 2-3 of these upgraded. That's not even touching on if you actually do have exhaust synergy.

[Direbear]

Same question about "Prepared" card. It gives you 1 card and 1 discard. So in fact unupgraded version is useful only for discarding some status cards like curses or burns. Maybe it's useful to play around masterful stab or silent have some cool discard mechanic which I do not know.

PS. To be honest Prepared speeds up your cycle. And it do not exhaust. So cool card. Unlike unupgraded warcry which I never play because of 1 energy cost.

[Direbear]

Acrobatic speeds up your cycle. It gives you +2 draw speed. Card takes 1 slot and give you 3 cards. Discarded card is placed to discarded pile. Warcry give you +0 draw speed. I cannot play everytime I get it in my hand. Because it's exhausted. So it will even reduce your draw speed until you find moment to play it.

[Capernaum]

You are treating probably the largest upside of Warcry as a negative, that is the fact that you guarantee a specific card next turn. The only time this wouldn't be a large upside is if your deck is 100% bad cards.

Ironclad doesn't cycle as heavily as the Silent, we already know that. You aren't telling people anything they don't already know.

The upsides to Warcry are the guaranteed specific card next turn, that followed by the fact that upgraded it is 0 cost cycle with the prementioned upside (Better than upgraded Prepared) and then third that it triggers Exhaust synergy.

On top of that early on if you are playing around a singular card in your deck such as str + Heavy Blade or Impervious + Body Slam it helps guarantee you get the turn to buff Str followed by the Heavy Blade (So you don't have to cycle through your whole deck again) or guarantees that you can delay the Impervious or Body Slam a turn so they are both in the same hand.

If you can't see the advantage to that I don't know what to tell you.

[Optimistic]

My general feeling on the card is that unupgraded it's total garbage, worse than even the starter cards (albeit has more synnergy possibilities). But upgraded it's truly a fantastic card. This means that you should be careful taking unupgraded copies of it as it will demand to upgraded, so if you have too many cards that have really good upgrades it can be worth not taking.

[moleo]

On Corruption runs it is decent, since once you get Corruption on it is never bad (costs 0 energy, net 0 cards), and sometimes helps set up combos and good turns.

On non-Corruption runs if I'm offered an already upgraded Warcry+ and none of the other options seem useful, I'll pick up the Warcry+ since it typically has no downside (except against certain enemies that punish skills with hexes etc).

[ravengage]

You have to upgrade Warcry to make it worth anything but when you do it's great. Allows you to dig deeper into the deck for more options and then plan ahead for next turn.

There's also synergy with Clash, since you can use Warcry to remove an undesirable card from your hand in order to activate Clash. Some of my favorite Ironclad decks have been heavy cycle with lots of Clash cards. You kill many encounters on turn 1.

[Direbear]

You are treating probably the largest upside of Warcry as a negative

I think that most of the time this card will not be played (1 energy when you have 3 at the start). And that's why it will just take one slot in my hand. Upgraded version at least can be dropped from your hand if it's really needed.

[twpe]

Warcry has its place. But it is best upgraded if you use it.

On the topic of prepared... Prepared (especially upgraded prepared) is one of the cards you can use to run infinite cycle decks as well as discard decks. These decks, once setup, are overpowered on anything that isn't Time Eater.

[ravengage]

Originally posted by Grohuf:

You are treating probably the largest upside of Warcry as a negative

I think that most of the time this card will not be played (1 energy when you have 3 at the start). And that's why it will just take one slot in my hand. Upgraded version at least can be dropped from your hand if it's really needed.

That's why you upgrade it ASAP and probably don't pick it up if you're still at 3 energy and there's no campfires nearby. You gotta take that sort of stuff into consideration. However an upgraded Warcry is actually really good in some decks, when I'm playing a STR cycle deck I take as many Warcries as I can.

[moleo]

Originally posted by twpe:

Warcry has its place. But it is best upgraded if you use it.

On the topic of prepared... Prepared (especially upgraded prepared) is one of the cards you can use to run infinite cycle decks as well as discard decks. These decks, once setup, are overpowered on anything that isn't Time Eater.

tbh I've won with decks like that vs Time Eater more often than not.

It is certainly *harder*, and rather than just going on autopilot and spamming stuff every turn I often have to stop and think about exactly which cards I want to play this turn (and how many), but still it typically works out ok.

If anything, I've struggled with non-combo/cycle decks more, because you can't easily control when Time Eater triggers, since you can't just choose to play up to 12 cards whenever you want!

[twpe]

Originally posted by moleo:

tbh I've won with decks like that vs Time Eater more often than not.

It is certainly *harder*, and rather than just going on autopilot and spamming stuff every turn I often have to stop and think about exactly which cards I want to play this turn (and how many), but still it typically works out ok.

If anything, I've struggled with non-combo/cycle decks more, because you can't easily control when Time Eater triggers, since you can't just choose to play up to 12 cards whenever you want!

Exactly. It's just not overpowered versus Time Eater. Still quite winnable. The difference being you're not completely invincible like you would be against another boss.

[Fyre]

I'm pretty sure Warcry is supposed to be used to set-up Havoc into Barricade or Demon Form or something like that.

[Sealer]

Upgraded warcry is one of the best ironclad cards. It literally reduces RNG and sets up comboes for free, on top of having synergy with exhaust decks.