What decides what your final boss is?

[Aaelar]

I've faced the Time Eater literally my last six runs in a row and I'm sick of it. Is it because the game sees I have lots of draw synergy so it's like "oh, we'll give you the boss that hard counters you the most"? Or am I just getting incredibly unlucky RNG?

[Zu]

Originally posted by Riedy:

There's definitely a calculation behind it.

No.
If there's anything going on behind the scenes, it would be to prevent seeing the same boss over and over, but that's something the data miners[docs.google.com] would've mentioned somewhere. (Didn't bother to check every page. Sorry OP.)

[Kaim Argonar]

I think the game tries to counter your deck, when I go defect with a powers-deck, most of the time I get the Awakened One, if playing silent with shivs deck I normally get the time eater.

So, probably you're going with the same deck type and thats the reason

[Zu]

Originally posted by Kaim Argonar:

I think the game tries to counter your deck.

Again, no.
Replay any seed of your choice or share a new one with a friend and do radically different things.

[Xiander]

Originally posted by Zu:

Originally posted by Kaim Argonar:

I think the game tries to counter your deck.

Again, no.
Replay any seed of your choice or share a new one with a friend and do radically different things.

Go nuts! Post them here, i will happiæy try my hand on a few.

[Zu]

Sure, whatever.

35HICZ17HHYTJ

This one perhaps? I guess your job would be to play defect and not end up with a heatsinks storm package to "prove" that I didn't run into woke birb due to having a lotta powers.

[Khor]

Originally posted by chung_kuel:

Originally posted by Zu:

Again, no.
Replay any seed of your choice or share a new one with a friend and do radically different things.

Go nuts! Post them here, i will happiæy try my hand on a few.

Well... if that wasn`t the case it would completely defeat the purpose of Seeds

Now, if a Seed full of Shivs has a higher chance of Time Eater... that`s entirely another story

[Xiander]

Originally posted by Zu:

Sure, whatever.

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This one perhaps? I guess your job would be to play defect and not end up with a heatsinks storm package to "prove" that I didn't run into woke birb due to having a lotta powers.

Oh, i didn't mean You Zu.
But cool. I might try it after work.

[Zu]

Originally posted by Khor:

Now, if a Seed full of Shivs has a higher chance of Time Eater... that`s entirely another story

[:thonk: intensifies]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpR4p41F8G4

[DaBa]

There's no mechanism that counters your deck or anything like that. The speedrunner scene is the easiest example of that. They use a save file that gives them a run which is guaranteed to have the same 3 bosses every time, even on different seeds. It didn't matter what deck they made or how many times they played, it was always the same three. If the game somehow actively matched the bosses to your current run then it would not be premeditated like that. Here's an example of such a speedrun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipbtkUtlRu4 you can compare it with different runs, where the seeds are different and the bosses are always the same. Easy proof that bosses are tied to something and are not influenced in real time, they are predetermined.

So, unless they sneaked in something during the last few patches, there's nothing like that in the game. The seeds will also have the same boss every time.

[pop pop]

Before game got very popular i've got a reply from one of the devs that boss generation is random


https://steamcommunity.com/app/646570/discussions/4/1620600279658986492/

[Khor]

Originally posted by pop pop:

Before game got very popular i've got a reply from one of the devs that boss generation is random

Once upon a time, before everything and its grandma was seeded, you could reroll the Boss with save and quit.
Seeing Pandora`s Glitch again makes me wonder what`s still unfixed tho

[Dazrix]

Perhaps... the bosses are not defined by our card choices.. But the cards available to us are defined by the bosses ;)

That was an amibigous response. He just said that their spawn rates appear to be normal. I will definitely say, when I go poison run, I get that healing dog thing.. When I go a blade/draw run, I get the time muppet... I've been trying to run this with Silent for 30 hours.. I get that I'm garbage, but I've definitely been hard countered alot when I invest heavily into a deck type. I've NEVER gotten the healing dog thing, if I choose a blade/draw route. I've never gotten the time sloth thing, when I'm on a poison run.

[DaBa]

Originally posted by Dazrix:

Perhaps... the bosses are not defined by our card choices.. But the cards available to us are defined by the bosses ;)

That was an amibigous response. He just said that their spawn rates appear to be normal. I will definitely say, when I go poison run, I get that healing dog thing.. When I go a blade/draw run, I get the time muppet... I've been trying to run this with Silent for 30 hours.. I get that I'm garbage, but I've definitely been hard countered alot when I invest heavily into a deck type. I've NEVER gotten the healing dog thing, if I choose a blade/draw route. I've never gotten the time sloth thing, when I'm on a poison run.

There is no connectiong between cards yo u get and the bosses, you are just imagining the patterns. Again, it's easily proven by looking at how the speedrunners manipulated their save file to always generate the same sets of bosses, regardless of the cards offered or any other factors. That manipulation was done entirely in game, no tools were used to hack the save file or anything like that. If you can manipulate boss spawns and still have the rest of the run random, then there's no connection.

Also, data miners have found nothing, so i can't see how there's any space for speculation here.

[Dazrix]

Originally posted by DaBa:

Originally posted by Dazrix:

Perhaps... the bosses are not defined by our card choices.. But the cards available to us are defined by the bosses ;)

That was an amibigous response. He just said that their spawn rates appear to be normal. I will definitely say, when I go poison run, I get that healing dog thing.. When I go a blade/draw run, I get the time muppet... I've been trying to run this with Silent for 30 hours.. I get that I'm garbage, but I've definitely been hard countered alot when I invest heavily into a deck type. I've NEVER gotten the healing dog thing, if I choose a blade/draw route. I've never gotten the time sloth thing, when I'm on a poison run.

There is no connectiong between cards yo u get and the bosses, you are just imagining the patterns. Again, it's easily proven by looking at how the speedrunners manipulated their save file to always generate the same sets of bosses, regardless of the cards offered or any other factors. That manipulation was done entirely in game, no tools were used to hack the save file or anything like that. If you can manipulate boss spawns and still have the rest of the run random, then there's no connection.

Also, data miners have found nothing, so i can't see how there's any space for speculation here.

I cannot accept this.. I literally stumbled across an amazing deck. An elite wouldn't last more than a turn... And you're telling me that my getting the time sloth was coincidence? Every run I do, I get time sloth if I do a infinite dagger... You're legitimately telling me that this ♥♥♥♥ is 'random'?

I agree with OP... It has to have something in there that is deciding the boss. 'Manipulating' a boss spawn is exactly that.. a method in which the speed runners can control the boss spawn. Perhaps they stumbled 'randomly' upon a particular pattern that worked for them that generated a different spawn. This ♥♥♥♥ is insanely accurate to what ♥♥♥♥♥ me over most.

Edit: Btw, I'm not OP. I just agree with them.

[DuckSonata]

Don't believe their lies! This conspiracy goes all the way to the top. Big spire has been secretly contaminating our card pools for years with the runoff from their shape factories. The heavy metal from the spikers and the ammonium nitrate from the exploders get into your deck through osmosis. Then a secret society of slavers who report directly to the big wigs use microwaves and x-rays to detect the exact size and makeup of your deck, operating out of a massive surveillance compound hidden under the colosseum. The only defense from this is to wrap your save file *tightly* in aluminum foil.