Your game used to be fun

[Sluggeto]

The problem with catering to hardcore players is... you discourage 'normal' players. Increased difficulty has made the game a chore, starting off on the 2nd level with battles that are 2x tougher than before, even level one starts with life sucking battles when there's no way to defend or fight back without losing a good chunk of health... I'm glad the hardcore player are happy, but for me. the game is done.

[Khor]

Originally posted by Baby Nurse:

"consistently beating Ascension 20..." i.e. a guy with 2500 hours in the game beating the heart about 1 out of 4 times on A20

Last time i checked, Reddit gave Jorbs and co. a 30/40% clear rate of A20 Corrupted Hearth. (10% depending on Character choice and preparation put into clearing act 4)

Originally posted by Blood Flowers:

Haha xD I can't decide if WBS would be better than Tiny House. Might depend on your deck/if you have potion belt/sozu/etc.

It`s no energy relic, but don`t underestimate being able to use 1 potion each fight and reaching the bosses with some good quality brews.

[StarlightRemix]

To be honest I've gone so far as to try the aids strat of just running Noxious Fumes and Defense cards (Turtle ♥♥♥♥♥) But regardless of what you do if you get time lord at the end you physically can't play the game. 90% of the time I feel like I am doing so well and then a single thing goes wrong and my entire run is over. I nearly have every unlock for every character and understand (for the most part) what I should be doing, but I can't get it done due to how much RNG effects a run.

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Originally posted by Blood Flowers:

1 in 4 is pretty good, considering how heavily the odds are against you in A20 heart runs. If you drop the difficulty down to A15, you can pretty much have 9 out of 10 runs be a win. Either way, it doesn't change that A2 is something that can be beaten ~99% of the time.

I would love to see video evidence of you beating the heart on A2, 9 out of 10 games. I would be satisfied with 90%, not even hold you to 99%.

[Zu]

Originally posted by Baby Nurse:

I would love to see video evidence of you beating the heart on A2, 9 out of 10 games. I would be satisfied with 90%, not even hold you to 99%.

I see you're still hung up on this. Is it so hard to believe when a number of people go
"Hey, I know these longtime players or I myself have a high win rate at such and such difficulty. I'm sure you can do it too."?

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Here, most of the runs are on A15, A20, and A20+Heart. Dunno when they started collecting data, but I don't think someone is fake-boasting when they occasionally explain to someone in chat in a dry tone that they were getting bored of winning and that they welcome A20.

[Khor]

Originally posted by Zu:

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Here, most of the runs are on A15, A20, and A20+Heart. Dunno when they started collecting data, but I don't think someone is fake-boasting when they occasionally explain to someone in chat in a dry tone that they were getting bored of winning and that they welcome A20.

wow jorbs sux at Defect
But hey... he doesn`t like claws... that was always a bit of a red flag

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Originally posted by Zu:

Originally posted by Baby Nurse:

I would love to see video evidence of you beating the heart on A2, 9 out of 10 games. I would be satisfied with 90%, not even hold you to 99%.

I see you're still hung up on this. Is it so hard to believe when a number of people go
"Hey, I know these longtime players or I myself have a high win rate at such and such difficulty. I'm sure you can do it too."?

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Here, most of the runs are on A15, A20, and A20+Heart. Dunno when they started collecting data, but I don't think someone is fake-boasting when they occasionally explain to someone in chat in a dry tone that they were getting bored of winning and that they welcome A20.

I just find funny the hyperbole posts "you're just bad...I have a 99% win rate at low acsencion", etc. with zero evidence. And of course they're never affected by bad RNG because they play so perfectly as shown by their 99% win rate.

Convieniently they have no proof of their own succes so they inevitably point to the one guy on twitch with thousands of hours in the game that wins 30% of the time at the highest difficulty. See? This game is EZ mode you just need to GIT GUD.

No, not hung up on anything. Just find great entertainment value in the forums. I completely agree with everybody, I'm sure after a few thousand hours the game is too easy. Heck, I'm not even 200 hours into the game and I already look upon the noobs condescendingly. Amirite?

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Originally posted by Khor:

wow jorbs sux at Defect:wow:

He just makes bad choices. RNG does not matter. I have a 99% win rate with defect at all ascension levels using only the starter deck. If you don't believe me you can look at jorbs' stats and watch his twitch play. That proves what I say is true.

[Zu]

Originally posted by Baby Nurse:

Conveniently they have no proof of their own success.

I mean, I went out of my way to ms paint for you and others in December.

Again, even the average scrublord Zu who doesn't bother anymore, who screws up at A1 and restarts the heart fight once like every four runs can go 27-0 (higher in the end).

If that's invalid because I eventually decided to savescum in spelunky hell sometimes, I guess not doing so pre-heart is also invalid and it's therefore myth busted that I beat the vanilla content virtually every run.

#Edit:
And no, I'm not denying rng can make or break runs, but how much of an ever-present impact does it really have when the average scrublord and occasional filthy act 4 cheater Zu gets rekt more often by his own dumb decisions than drawing a full hand of attacks against hyperbeam?

[TemmieNeko]

Originally posted by Sluggeto:

The problem with catering to hardcore players is... you discourage 'normal' players. Increased difficulty has made the game a chore, starting off on the 2nd level with battles that are 2x tougher than before, even level one starts with life sucking battles when there's no way to defend or fight back without losing a good chunk of health... I'm glad the hardcore player are happy, but for me. the game is done.

the game only gets harder if you play ascension. and you dont need to worry about that, unless you win , and then set asecnesion, and then win on ascension.
im not the greatest p[layer out there, but i've been havingh fun.
it takes a lot of practice and learning before you can win ( unless you use one of those crappy decks made to exploit small card deck sizes )

[TemmieNeko]

Originally posted by Baby Nurse:

Originally posted by Khor:

wow jorbs sux at Defect:wow:

He just makes bad choices. RNG does not matter. I have a 99% win rate with defect at all ascension levels using only the starter deck. If you don't believe me you can look at jorbs' stats and watch his twitch play. That proves what I say is true.

99% win ratio by using a ironclad, and a small deck . so, the noob way to play ^^b
yes, the game is easy when you use body slam exploits, and the like.
of course you dont need to worry abotu rng when your deck is 10 cards, and you cycle through massive body slam damage, that's the deck in-experioenced users make, and it allows you to always win.
now win 99% of the time using the silent. can't be done, the RNG, coupled with the variety of relics, cards, and bosses working against the silent's many different deck builds- i severley doubt 99% win ratio with that char. there's RNG in the game, and yes - it affects your runs unless you whittle your deck down to nothing - there's no random chance when you control everything the way you want. not adding cards, not going for ? events, etc. try not to be so rude to ppl that are honestly struggling with the basic game.

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Originally posted by TemmieNeko:

Originally posted by Baby Nurse:

He just makes bad choices. RNG does not matter. I have a 99% win rate with defect at all ascension levels using only the starter deck. If you don't believe me you can look at jorbs' stats and watch his twitch play. That proves what I say is true.

99% win ratio by using a ironclad, and a small deck . so, the noob way to play ^^b
yes, the game is easy when you use body slam exploits, and the like.
of course you dont need to worry abotu rng when your deck is 10 cards, and you cycle through massive body slam damage, that's the deck in-experioenced users make, and it allows you to always win.
now win 99% of the time using the silent. can't be done, the RNG, coupled with the variety of relics, cards, and bosses working against the silent's many different deck builds- i severley doubt 99% win ratio with that char. there's RNG in the game, and yes - it affects your runs unless you whittle your deck down to nothing - there's no random chance when you control everything the way you want. not adding cards, not going for ? events, etc. try not to be so rude to ppl that are honestly struggling with the basic game.

I was being sarcastic.

[Blood Flowers]

Originally posted by Baby Nurse:

I just find funny the hyperbole posts "you're just bad...I have a 99% win rate at low acsencion", etc. with zero evidence. And of course they're never affected by bad RNG because they play so perfectly as shown by their 99% win rate.

I don't play low ascensions so I won't have 100 games to link you, but I could load up a run right now and win it pretty much guaranteed as long as its below a10. Probably 1/2 the time in A15. Or I could just post my last 5 games which are all wins, 2 of which are a20 heart kills. Or I could post my data for the Defect, who I don't really play, but I made the climb to a20 with him and my run history is probably 50% wins past a10? I don't have the time to go play 100 games of a1-9 to prove to you that its easy to get a 99% win rate.

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Originally posted by Blood Flowers:

I don't play low ascensions so I won't have 100 games to link you, but I could load up a run right now and win it pretty much guaranteed as long as its below a10. Probably 1/2 the time in A15. Or I could just post my last 5 games which are all wins, 2 of which are a20 heart kills. Or I could post my data for the Defect, who I don't really play, but I made the climb to a20 with him and my run history is probably 50% wins past a10? I don't have the time to go play 100 games of a1-9 to prove to you that its easy to get a 99% win rate.

I'd be happy to see anybody's stream (twitch or youtube, etc.) play 10 games in a row and beat the heart 9/10 times any ascension (or 10/10 as some claim). That would convince me.

I actually looked around but couldn't find anything. All the people that brag on the forums about their "99% winrates", you think there would be such a video somewhere.

[Benkyo]

Originally posted by Baby Nurse:

I'd be happy to see anybody's stream (twitch or youtube, etc.) play 10 games in a row and beat the heart 9/10 times any ascension (or 10/10 as some claim). That would convince me.

I actually looked around but couldn't find anything. All the people that brag on the forums about their "99% winrates", you think there would be such a video somewhere.

Seems to me there are two issues:

1) You are equating "winning" with "beating the heart", which seems innaccurate to me. Winning is winning, beating the heart is a bonus.

2) People don't tend to stay at a level that is too easy for them. Winning all the time is boring. So you go up Ascension, and keep challenging yourself.

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Originally posted by Benkyo:

Originally posted by Baby Nurse:

I'd be happy to see anybody's stream (twitch or youtube, etc.) play 10 games in a row and beat the heart 9/10 times any ascension (or 10/10 as some claim). That would convince me.

I actually looked around but couldn't find anything. All the people that brag on the forums about their "99% winrates", you think there would be such a video somewhere.

Seems to me there are two issues:

1) You are equating "winning" with "beating the heart", which seems innaccurate to me. Winning is winning, beating the heart is a bonus.

2) People don't tend to stay at a level that is too easy for them. Winning all the time is boring. So you go up Ascension, and keep challenging yourself.

So let me get this straight. You avoid the hardest part of the game, Act 4, and then complain the game is too easy. You're joking right?

So all these people bragging about 99% win rates don't even play Act 4?