Watcher too easy? ultimate pressure? true ending

[Csontzuzo]

Not managed to kill heart yet with any other character, but did it easily on Watcher and actually the first time i got to there.

Is the character OP or i just decided for an easy tactic? Literally needed just to get 4 more cards to my starter deck and tighten the deck size with throwing out starter cards:

https://youtu.be/0-C-evDLk8w

So, is it OP? Yes, because i not managed to kill with any other char, even if i got there with inflagable potion + 50% resurrection relic, but this run was the first one where i cared about block too + it is funny that the best card of the Watcher is a common card (cough pressure cough)

[DJDiceZ]

But it's... not... her best card. And you're on low ascension.

[Sigma]

Why does everyone think this character is op especially when playing ANYTHING on a low ascension is generally mad easy already?

[bulbatrs]

she is op. out of all the characters she is the easiest to play because how one dimensional she is and her started deck is madly overpowered comparing to the other 3 classes. also she kinda lacks progression - I feel like I'm doing exactly the same thing in act 3, but with an upgraded strikes and defends. it's funny how her upgraded strikes are good in lategame, no surpise she ♥♥♥♥♥ on everything in act 1 so hard.

[PsychoDino]

Originally posted by Csontzuzo:

Not managed to kill heart yet with any other character, but did it easily on Watcher and actually the first time i got to there.

Is the character OP or i just decided for an easy tactic? Literally needed just to get 4 more cards to my starter deck and tighten the deck size with throwing out starter cards:

https://youtu.be/0-C-evDLk8w

So, is it OP? Yes, because i not managed to kill with any other char, even if i got there with inflagable potion + 50% resurrection relic, but this run was the first one where i cared about block too + it is funny that the best card of the Watcher is a common card (cough pressure cough)

its op

[incendia]

Originally posted by DJDiceZ:

But it's... not... her best card. And you're on low ascension.

It's not even a good card if you ask me. It doesn't further the rest of her gameplan in any meaningful way and it's really only potent on low difficulties where you can get away with anything. It's basicly a trap that hands out a medium reward for a low input but lacks any greater potential. 99% skip at A20 in my opinion.

[sandman25dcsss]

Originally posted by Sigma:

Why does everyone think this character is op especially when playing ANYTHING on a low ascension is generally mad easy already?

Because it is the only character who can deal 54 damage for 1 energy (without even using miracle)? I played just a single game as watcher and this is what happened: I prepared conjure blade while lavagulin was sleeping and used it next turn for 1 energy. Lavagulin died in 3 turns. If it is not OP, I am not sure what you mean as OP.

[incendia]

Originally posted by sandman25dcsss:

Originally posted by Sigma:

Why does everyone think this character is op especially when playing ANYTHING on a low ascension is generally mad easy already?

Because it is the only character who can deal 54 damage for 1 energy (without even using miracle)? I played just a single game as watcher and this is what happened: I prepared conjure blade while lavagulin was sleeping and used it next turn for 1 energy. Lavagulin died in 3 turns. If it is not OP, I am not sure what you mean as OP.

You can also completely dunk on lagavulin with 'the bomb' But I don't think anybody considers that to be a good card and neither is conjure blade honestly. It's to slow to perform well in most fights at higher ascensions. The scenario you describe is a cherry picked one with a specific setup in a specific fight. you can shield slam for 999 damage on a single mana with a setup but that doesn't actually make it a good card.

[sandman25dcsss]

Yes, bomb is OP card too, no surprise here, that's why it is colorless. I have yet to see 999 damage body slam in act 1. Or even 54 damage. I had no relics.

[bulbatrs]

Bomb is definately good card, but it's too expensive and as a result rarely seen.

[jamesgriffiths]

its a lot easier than other characters i'm killing elites in 2 turns on act 1 with nothing special in the deck.

[Red Luster YT]

I don't think she's op, it's just... the older characters like iron clad aren't just as good.

[incendia]

I think we're playing a different game because the bomb is easily a contender for the single worsty card in the entire game.

Originally posted by jamesgriffiths:

its a lot easier than other characters i'm killing elites in 2 turns on act 1 with nothing special in the deck.

Originally posted by Red Luster YT:

I don't think she's op, it's just... the older characters like iron clad aren't just as good.

Act one elite's are entirely focused around frontloaded burst damage and in the case of gremlin nob prefferably without the usage of skills. Which is exactly the niche that the watcher excels at.
As a result the early game is great But her late game boss killing potential is a little bit lower then the silent's/defects because there is a limited amount of scaling damage available to the watcher.

[sandman25dcsss]

I wonder what you think of poison if bomb is bad for you.

[incendia]

Originally posted by sandman25dcsss:

I wonder what you think of poison if bomb is bad for you.

Are you sure you're even thinking of the right card?
https://slay-the-spire.fandom.com/wiki/The_Bomb

[sandman25dcsss]

Or to put it more clear. 40 damage in 3 turns is equivalent of applying 20 poison, to everyone.