All For One + Snecko Eye

[cheep crybabby hatter]

So, apparently, when a card is discarded and its cost randomised by Snecko Eye, it retains that cost when discarded. I ended up drawing both my All For One cards, and lo and behold, both were randomised to a cost of 0.

So, after playing my second one, up popped my first one, which popped up my second one, which popped up my first one, etc. I could finish every enemy in one turn.

Is it just me, or is that a little broken? I mean, I got lucky: there's a slightly less than 1 in 16 chance that you'll get this happening with two All For One cards, but what if you had more than 2? What if you had Nightmare or Dual Wield too via prismatic shard (it seems unlikely, but still).

Maybe All For One should only ever be able to pick up cards other than itself?

[Caos Spawn]

Nah, it's so rare it doesn't matter, and btw infinite combos are a thing in this game. Sometimes are even bad

[Khor]

Going infinite with All-for-One isn`t "that rare" but it usually involves Madness.

All-for-Sneko can hands you a victory (you can increase your chances with holograms) or screwing you badly so, all in all, it`s ok-ish..... and you still need to beat the Time Eater

[Caos Spawn]

Well you need 2 Madness both hitting a specific card so i wouldn't define it easy

[Khor]

I didn`t say easy, i said not "that rare"

2 Madness, with some luck(40% for Spirelog), can be found act 3, then the easiest way would be to have a Turbo in the deck and hitting a Hologram with Madness

[Caos Spawn]

Still you need 2 AfO and the right draw, and a functional deck to stay alive. I think it's not broken or anything overly powerful

[Khor]

Originally posted by Caos Spawn:

Still you need 2 AfO and the right draw, and a functional deck to stay alive. I think it's not broken or anything overly powerful

Just one
play AfO, pick up Hologram at 0+Turbo->play Hologram for AfO -> play Turbo-> rinse and repeat

But yeah, nothing too broken. When you can set that up it`s probably already a won run

[Caos Spawn]

Yeah, and than again infinite is allowed in the game, so no worries :-)

[BitterSwede]

Snecko Eye (or rather Confused) randomizes the cost on Draw.
The mechics works as the effect is described, when you DRAW the card, the cost is randomized. Any point before that, the cost will remain the same. This includes when it is shuffled into your draw pile. Cards that let you get the card from your draw pile without drawing it will also let the cost remain unaffected.

This is intended and as the effect is described.

What you have stumbled on here is what we in the card game world call a "cube". It is an exploit of the rules, but an allowed exploit. It requires some luck and some skill to pull off, your deck must be constructed right, the cirumstances must be right and you must draw the right cards, at the right time, in the right order for it to work. But when it works you have yourself an infinite loop ending with either you winning or the game ending in a tie.

In this case, the game would end with you winning. But it would require you to find Snecko Eye and two All For One cards, draw both All For One cards, have one All For One be played already and both of them simultaneously be randomized to 0 cost. As others have pointed out, you can reach this particular combo a bit easier in other ways, for example with two Madness cards, but that also requires the luck of finding the Madness event or two separate shops selling the Madness card and enough money to buy them.

Therefore I don't think this is something that will be nerfed. Not as hard as, for example, Dual Wield, which in its current state is game breaking in any deck it is put in, if the player knows what they are doing.

Other card games like Magic the Gathering are known for having hundreds of these combos, with more combos found every month, and in those games you construct your deck beforehand and don't have these restrictions. They generally treat it as part of the game, with some players seeing it as a challenge to find counters against such combos. They are even legal in tournament plays.