About that 'Spin the Wheel' goblin event...

[Ghostlight]

...I think it should be changed so if you win the Relic, you can opt not to take it. I've had 2 runs now ruined by 'winning' Dead Branch when using a tuned tight deck. :(

DB is a great and fun Relic and can make your runs super fun but when you have built a really nice deck (eg thin/infinite Rampage) it will knacker it. Twice now!

Tiny change plz. Not much to ask.

[ZappyDoggo]

+1

[Tray]

Originally posted by Ghostlight:

...I think it should be changed so if you win the Relic, you can opt not to take it. I've had 2 runs now ruined by 'winning' Dead Branch when using a tuned tight deck. :(

DB is a great and fun Relic and can make your runs super fun but when you have built a really nice deck (eg thin/infinite Rampage) it will knacker it. Twice now!

Tiny change plz. Not much to ask.

The goblin events are forced events good or bad. The option to turn down the relic doesn't really fit the theme.

If we go with the optional theme we should also be able to choose not taking the damage when we fall under that option right?

[.//slayer]

Originally posted by Ghostlight:

...I think it should be changed so if you win the Relic, you can opt not to take it. I've had 2 runs now ruined by 'winning' Dead Branch when using a tuned tight deck. :(

DB is a great and fun Relic and can make your runs super fun but when you have built a really nice deck (eg thin/infinite Rampage) it will knacker it. Twice now!

Tiny change plz. Not much to ask.

Yeah, same for when you try to do a single-relic run and then there's a relic forced on you in this event - the only case I can think of that does that.

If we go with the optional theme we should also be able to choose not taking the damage when we fall under that option right?

This is a straw man fallacy - OP didn't propose to change negative outcomes, and you misrepresent their statement by broadening the theme to the entirety of optional outcomes instead of one particular case.

Besides, any other event (such as getting a relic from digging) already allows you to skip the reward, which makes me believe that the Goblin reward is nothing more than an oversight and should be reworked.

[Tray]

Originally posted by .//slayer:

Originally posted by Ghostlight:

...I think it should be changed so if you win the Relic, you can opt not to take it. I've had 2 runs now ruined by 'winning' Dead Branch when using a tuned tight deck. :(

DB is a great and fun Relic and can make your runs super fun but when you have built a really nice deck (eg thin/infinite Rampage) it will knacker it. Twice now!

Tiny change plz. Not much to ask.

Yeah, same for when you try to do a single-relic run and then there's a relic forced on you in this event - the only case I can think of that does that.

If we go with the optional theme we should also be able to choose not taking the damage when we fall under that option right?

This is a straw man fallacy - OP didn't propose to change negative outcomes. Besides, any other case (such as getting a relic from digging) already allows you to skip the reward, which makes me believe that the Goblin reward is nothing more than an oversight and should be reworked.

For someone acusing me of strawmaning, there seems to be an aweful lot of it coming from you.

I stand by my point that in an event of pure chance with both positive and negative outcomes, there shouldn't be optional outcomes.

[Smartboy64]

Interesting idea Ghostlight. I will disgree because of the situation in which it arises.
Slayer mentioned how you have a choice to take relics (usually). In that case, you choose to dig up the relic. you choose to open the chest. In that case walking away with the relic is up to you.
WIth the Goblin/Gremlin games they throw it at you. You never walked into the room and declined the wheel spin. Those little punks force that stuff on you. Its the nature of the Spire. Everything in there is out for itself and they will do what they can to get the leg up on you.
It also brings into question the other events. Like the Fire Offering. The one were you come across a fire with dancing lights and it says give an offer to the fire. I HATE that event because most of the time I want to keep all my cards. But we can't.
Trying to find the balance in a rouge like game is a pain. We can't have too much choice in the game because it will remove a level of the challenge. I'm happy we have a good amount of choices in the game. We can choose to go for the Random Event on the map. We just have to deal with it when we get there.

[Hogs Fattman]

I would be curious to hear the dev's thoughts on this, because I can see an argument for both sides. My first thought was to compare it to the relic which grants you 5 cards, or something like the big house where it brings up the card selection screen, but you can choose not to accept. In that situation, something that is generally viewed as positive (getting rewarded with extra cards) has the optional component.

Normally, getting a relic *should* be positive, but there are very specific situations where it is not. But as others have pointed out, the specfic point of the goblin event is force something on you. Given it is such a specific situation, that seems fine, but because it is so specific I could see it being a potential oversight, since it is the only relic specific example I can think of where you have no other choice but to take it.

[bc]

Whether you want to take a certain relic or not should be a player's decision, i agree.

[Ghostlight]

Out of interest, is there any other place in the game where you are given a Relic without having a say on whether you accept it. I guess there is the event where you lose all gold to gain a Relic, but the Relic you get there is predictable, so doesn't really count.

[Ghostlight]

Originally posted by Hogs Fattman:

I would be curious to hear the dev's thoughts on this

I would be curious to hear their thoughts on the laws of statistics that are being broken here. I mean I have no idea how many times I have encountered this event, probably a just over a dozen. Let's say 18 times. Let's say 1/6 of those times I won a Relic (6 possible outcomes on the wheel). That's 3 times total that I've won a Relic here. And I get Dead Branch twice?

What are the odds? I wonder if this is a deliberate troll by the devs?

[Duckie]

I agree with the OP, we should be able to consider four of the sectors to be pure positive and the other two to be negative (even if in theory healing could be a negative cause of Berserk, it's not the same thing as a mandatory dead branch). As I said in the debate about the shovel, if taking a random relic was supposed to be risky, then there'd be more than one non-boss relic in the game that could hurt you.

On the other hand, you could argue that being forced to remove a card from your deck is occasionally negative, even though that's meant to be a pure positive sector.

[Shovel Priest]

> Encounters event fewer than 20 times
> Gets flukish results
> "Laws of statistics being broken"

[Flavorable]

Originally posted by Shovel Priest:

> Encounters event fewer than 20 times
> Gets flukish results
> "Laws of statistics being broken"

It's funny how easily people fall for confirmation bias, right?

[Krampus]

Are you people not reading patch notes or me? They changed the relic to be on the reward screen with they option to deny it. A few patches ago. Did they change it back?

[Sinsling]

Originally posted by Krampus:

Are you people not reading patch notes or me? They changed the relic to be on the reward screen with they option to deny it. A few patches ago. Did they change it back?

You may be thinking of the dig screen. The goblin events have never been optional in what they give you.

[Krampus]

No i remember it being about the goblin. Idk hiwever if it was in the patch notes or in a thread. Maybe someone was just spreading BS, not sure.