How many runs was it until you got your first victory?

[Aznaocnk]

I have currently done a total of 31 runs between Ironclad and The Silent (about equal), gotten to the final boss maybe 2 or 3 times, and died, still no victory for me. I was just wondering if this is normal, or if I just a bad player, or maybe my RNG has not been that good (this is the least likely, as I know there have been risks I shouldn't have taken). I've tried a lot of different synergies such as: Block + Barricade, Shiv, Poison, Exhasut, Discard, Card Draw + Energy Gain, and others I don't know the 'Official' name of. Could you guys suggest some other synergies I may have missed too? Thanks!

[Drix]

I think I got lucky with my first few runs but I got a victory 3 hours in. When I first started out I was trying to do really small decks skipping a ton of cards and It wasnt very consistant. I've noticed a few things now that im 77 hours in. I avoid act 3 mini bosses at all costs, the risk is much greater than the reward, if you can get to act 3 you are probably strong enough to kill the final boss already. The most consistant deck ive found for Ironclad is Perfected strike stacking. Take every strike you find and you can easily get damage up to 50+ Grab as many buffs and debuffs as you can. Usually by the end of my first deck cycle the boss has Vuln/weak/- str and I have 6+ str and just melt bosses in a few turns. Currently on a 5 win streak doing this.

[TripSin]

It took me 9 hours, doing only Silent runs before I got my first win. My best luck has been with draw/discard mechanics. When I started to play as Ironclad, I get a lot more wins more easily it seems.

[Zeel Ara]

2nd run for me. Got an early whirlwind, enflame, and reaper and just stacked everything strength, AoE and card cycle from there. Got rather lucky, considering that I didn't really grasp the details of the game yet, but a strength build is just about the most intuitive you get: Flat damage addition + attacks that hit many times = multiplicative scaling.

It's definitely not RNG keeping you from winning. That could be the case for 5ish runs, but not more than that. Don't swaet it though. Experimenting and figuring out how to evaluate the cards are the fun part of the game.

EDIT: I'm guessing that what brings you down is not missing synergies, but stuffing too many cards into your decks. You can make large decks work, but when learning the game you should consider your deck "finished" at around 20 cards. Any more than 25 and you will be vulnerable to bad draws no matter how great your synergies are. That's for an inexperienced player, obviously. There are plenty ways to make large decks work. It's just more complex than making a tight one.

[Fr33c3l]

Originally posted by Z.D.Alicé:

I have currently done a total of 31 runs between Ironclad and The Silent (about equal), gotten to the final boss maybe 2 or 3 times, and died, still no victory for me. I was just wondering if this is normal, or if I just a bad player, or maybe my RNG has not been that good (this is the least likely, as I know there have been risks I shouldn't have taken). I've tried a lot of different synergies such as: Block + Barricade, Shiv, Poison, Exhasut, Discard, Card Draw + Energy Gain, and others I don't know the 'Official' name of. Could you guys suggest some other synergies I may have missed too? Thanks!

4th game as IronClad. Then next 20 hours as Silent not even once.

[[DKS] Killaim]

43 runs. got a deck with silent all powers and relics which boosted powers and healed me when powers used.

monsters diddent stand a chance. with 5 powers used of +5 armor end of turn

[Chas 3 Sticks]

It takes a while. you'll get it eventually man

[Don Cool]

Never ...

[Chief Kay Strongbow]

Wow I'm glad I'm not the only one! My first win I was about 25 hours into the game, only played ironclad.
Around 13 hours with no win I started looking at advice and strategies because I just assumed I was terrible at it, I don't really play games that have anything to do with deck building. Turns out I was on the right track with card picks, which only added to my frustration that I still wasn't winning.

I realized that I kept trying to do high block builds with body slam, but again, another 8 hours of gameplay no wins, then I read someone talking about the Ironclad being the class that kills you before you can kill it, take the damage to output more damage. Then it clicked with me! A couple runs in I got some nice RNG with strength stacking cards and I FINALLY beat it!

Now I've had my first go with the Silent, I think she might actually be harder.. Hopefully it wont take another 25 hours to win with her too

[Guffmaw]

Got mine on the 2nd.

[CRAZYPEARCE]

still not got it. seems to get harder as you unlock more cards and relics as you have less chance to get what you want for your build

[vitrescible]

Silent has a much harder time than Ironclad. She is just inferior, period. The best players on earth could go for longer winstreaks on Ironclad that Silent because Ironclad is just overall easier and better. The RNG can punish the Silent in ways the Ironclad can shrug off because his selection of cards is overall superior. That's the scoop.

With that said, very skilled and experienced players can definitely win atleast one of any 5 random games as the Silent. So you have something missing in your approach to the game.

Maybe you are not avoiding enough fights on the first floor. That floor as the Silent is good for dodging fights and getting a few upgraded cards and buying a thing or two from the merchant to figure out where you are going with your deck.

If a verified high skill player comes in here I'd listen to him over this advice I just presented, but you can start making more progress by dodging fights in act 1 and trying to figure out what the RNG is telling you to build deck-wise. And just always pick Footwork, Blur, and Cloak and Dagger.

[Chep]

4 or 5. I just playd a straight forward block build with the Ironclad. the card that says block stays over turns+shrug it of+2 metalice (+4 aromr end of turn)+thorns (optional).
Quite easy to reproduce and there will be fights where you leave with more hp than waht you started with.
The silent took me a bit longer but I did something simulare. toxic cloud and then stack armor=gg

[Nibbie]

Won my very first try with a block/demon deck with "upgrade all your cards" and 2 "gain 3(4) armor every turn" along with block doesn't go away after a turn, so with both every turn heals and demon form running I just outlasted everything. Got very dicey in several places, but made it. Won second try with the Silent as well, started on a poison deck first try but didn't have the defense to live, second try got the start bonus of a random relic and got "when you have no cards in your hand on your turn, draw a card" and made a power-cycle deck with two "gain 1 armor every card you play" powers (and the only lose 15 block at end of turn relic, so consistently had 50+ armor)

[Flotch]

First run ever, I just kinda blindly picked what seemed to be the best relics and cards and got really good ones. Metallicize, demon form, 2 flex+ cards, headbutt, and just other generally good stuff that worked well with strength. Also got velvet choker, sozu, lantern, and a few other really good relics.

I was shocked when the game just ended after the third boss, I figured I was still in the early game. RNG was really on my side for that run, I proceeded to fail 4 times in a row afterwards. Also I have no idea how I managed to beat the game with a strength build without even having heavy blade unlocked, it's so useful!

[mamix]

My first two runs got me to the final Act III boss before misplaying and losing at the end. Next few runs were wins until enough cards / relics were unlocked resulting to gradually less consistent runs.