Any point in fighting elites?

[funkmonster7]

Whenever I fight elites, I end up losing so much health that the reward is not even worth the hassle. I always pick routes that avoid as many elites as possible, get treasure chests and camp sites. It feels kinda... lackluster.

[Kelson]

Elites in the first map are typically worth it unless you're on the verge of death or something. They give you some much-needed relics to help you build up power for the 2nd and 3rd maps.

[Xiander]

Originally posted by funkmonster7:

Whenever I fight elites, I end up losing so much health that the reward is not even worth the hassle. I always pick routes that avoid as many elites as possible, get treasure chests and camp sites. It feels kinda... lackluster.

In act one, you want to load up on decent attack cards and tackle the elites aggressively. If you are taking a lot of dammage from Gremlin Nob or Lagavulin you are playing too defensively.
In later acts it depends somewhat on your deck, and it is worthwhile to counterpick the elites. (Book of stabbing hates thorns and strength reducrton, slavers are weak ot aoe, and so on).

[JellyPuff]

I always try going for Act1 elites and counterpick beforehand. Even without the relics, they're worth it just for the higher chance of getting rares.

The only time i dodge elites on act1 is if i'm silent and have only non-upgraded starter cards as well as no relics that can carry.

[Donathan Cheadledge]

Act 1 you want to aggressively chase elites. After that it's quite situational but you'll still probably wanna tackle a few from acts 2 and 3 unless you got a shovel.

[Blood Flowers]

Depends on the ascension that you are on and whether or not you are planning to try to kill the Heart.

The higher the difficulty, the more important it is to kill elites (you'll need the passive bonuses from relics in order to stand a chance of winning on the highest difficulty versus you can sort of get away with almost any half-thought out deck on normal).

[Drecon]

Going for Elites is often worth it since Relics are the best things in the game. You have to prepare your deck for them though. Knowing which Elites you're likely to face and building your deck to minimize the damage you'll take from each Elite is one of the most important skills in the game.

On lower Ascensions you can just avoid the Elites and save HP for the final fight.

[ShirasuAzusa_Trinity]

Just remember not to risk your life
Elites maybe worthful ,but if U die or lose ,it's useless

[Yxklyx]

Once you git gud you will always want to fight elites for the relics.

[Gentlest Giant]

Sometimes I cry myself to sleep, thinking about the act 2 elites.

[DuckSonata]

Originally posted by calvine:

i win 90 percent on lowest difficulty. i'll tell you my strat.

on act 1. i do fight elites. sometimes not so much, most times yes. on act 2 and 3, i avoid elites, unless my deck is over the top already. then you can just go straight shot for the boss, and win easy, and save potions the good potions for the boss, the mediocre potions you can use them freely. most times the final boss isn't that hard, compared to some of the elites in act 3. especially if you saved decent potions and entered the fight full health or near full health. also the elites in act 3 will wear you down, the reward isn't much greater in act 3 facing elites. and the ? rooms are much better in act 3 than act 1. act 1, you find mediocre or weak ? rooms, in act 2 and 3, you see real good ones. the enemies get much harder for not much more reward. so i win DO win 90 percent, and knowing this information helped out quite a bit. if i was farming mode all through act 2 and 3, then i'd die from greed. and if you don't fight elites early or enemies early in act 1, you might die from weakness. if you change your strat as you progress through, then you got the best odds. atleast this is what worked for me.

this is not the sole reason i win, i win for many many many other reasons, but this is one element of many elements of why i do so well so easy.

some people believe it or not, still actually have a hard time winning even the easiest difficulty, they don't know the basic strats, or the enemies, ect. they do things like farm mode 24 7, etc. you can win like that, i do plenty of times, but unless i got a good deck going, it's not going to work as reliably. you can beat the game most runs with mediocre deck or subpar deck. but if you are dumb with your route choosing, then you can die from greed.

Auto-skipping Act 2 and 3 elites is a good way to ensure you never progress beyond the default difficulty. What you want to do is learn to build decks that can handle elites (often by deliberately planning for those specific fights) and use those elite fights to power up and snowball.

Obviously for someone that's struggling, it's not like they can just flip a switch and start doing this. But telling them that it's correct to keep skipping is sabotage.

[corbet]

you can win higher win rate(by skipping elites if and when it's a good decision to do so), or you win HARDER but with less win rate(by facing all the elites every single time without using any strategy or assessing what your particular run calls for).

so win harder but win less often, or win more often but you might win closely more often. the choice how you want to play is up to you.

and this is true with all ascensions. if you are picking all elites when your run doesn't call for it you won't win a higher win rate, but u will win much harder when you do have runs that works with.

[DuckSonata]

Originally posted by burlap ballclicker lapbag:

you can win higher win rate(by skipping elites if and when it's a good decision to do so), or you win HARDER but with less win rate(by facing all the elites every single time without using any strategy or assessing what your particular run calls for).

so win harder but win less often, or win more often but you might win closely more often. the choice how you want to play is up to you.

and this is true with all ascensions. if you are picking all elites when your run doesn't call for it you won't win a higher win rate, but u will win much harder when you do have runs that works with.

Did you forget to change your avatar when you changed your name, calvine/bevet? It doesn't really matter, because you always give yourself away almost immediately anyway.

I don't think you're really qualified to talk about what's true "with all ascensions" since, as you are so fond of bragging, you stick to exclusively steamrolling 0 and then spamming help threads with your latest decks. On higher difficulties, "winning harder," as you put it, can turn into the difference between winning and losing.

Also, what you said about high-rolling vs. playing it safe doesn't apply to the general practice of gearing towards elite fights. You can usually do both at the same time at low ascension.

Also, you're just trolling anyway, so who cares about any of this?

[Timbermaw]

Originally posted by faceplant712:

Originally posted by burlap ballclicker lapbag:

you can win higher win rate(by skipping elites if and when it's a good decision to do so), or you win HARDER but with less win rate(by facing all the elites every single time without using any strategy or assessing what your particular run calls for).

so win harder but win less often, or win more often but you might win closely more often. the choice how you want to play is up to you.

and this is true with all ascensions. if you are picking all elites when your run doesn't call for it you won't win a higher win rate, but u will win much harder when you do have runs that works with.

Did you forget to change your avatar when you changed your name, calvine/bevet? It doesn't really matter, because you always give yourself away almost immediately anyway.

I don't think you're really qualified to talk about what's true "with all ascensions" since, as you are so fond of bragging, you stick to exclusively steamrolling 0 and then spamming help threads with your latest decks. On higher difficulties, "winning harder," as you put it, can turn into the difference between winning and losing.

Also, what you said about high-rolling vs. playing it safe doesn't apply to the general practice of gearing towards elite fights. You can usually do both at the same time at low ascension.

Also, you're just trolling anyway, so who cares about any of this?

ouch

[Khor]

Originally posted by faceplant712:

Originally posted by burlap ballclicker lapbag:

you can win higher win rate(by skipping elites if and when it's a good decision to do so), or you win HARDER but with less win rate(by facing all the elites every single time without using any strategy or assessing what your particular run calls for).

so win harder but win less often, or win more often but you might win closely more often. the choice how you want to play is up to you.

and this is true with all ascensions. if you are picking all elites when your run doesn't call for it you won't win a higher win rate, but u will win much harder when you do have runs that works with.

Did you forget to change your avatar when you changed your name, calvine/bevet? It doesn't really matter, because you always give yourself away almost immediately anyway.

I don't think you're really qualified to talk about what's true "with all ascensions" since, as you are so fond of bragging, you stick to exclusively steamrolling 0 and then spamming help threads with your latest decks. On higher difficulties, "winning harder," as you put it, can turn into the difference between winning and losing.

Also, what you said about high-rolling vs. playing it safe doesn't apply to the general practice of gearing towards elite fights. You can usually do both at the same time at low ascension.

Also, you're just trolling anyway, so who cares about any of this?

I actually read that:
Always going for Elites is dumb, the best winrate is achieved by knowing when you can and when you shouldn't...
which is... one of the best answers this thread`s got??


Lately, bevet`s trollings have been more useful than the average forum user... and that`s...seriously disturbing

[DuckSonata]

Originally posted by Khor:

I actually read that:
Always going for Elites is dumb, the best winrate is achieved by knowing when you can and when you shouldn't...
which is... one of the best answers this thread`s got??

Yeah, me too, but it doesn't really apply to what he was responding to. No one said to always go for elites. It's the "switch" part of the the bait and switch. I can't find the other really good example of this, probably because the thread got deleted or hidden, but he's done the provocative bait > name change > reasonable third party wondering why you're picking on that "other guy" bit before.

It's actually kind of sophisticated, almost like using the truth to lie. When your weapons are sophistry and convolution, you can sometimes find yourself in a position where saying something accurate can ♥♥♥♥ with people as much as any tall tale.

I mean, what if I said to you, "No, Khor. I very much disagree with the idea that you need to have sex with your dog. All your dog needs to prosper is a warm place to sleep, nutritious meals, regular exercise/play time, the occasional vet check-up, and some PURELY PLATONIC affection." Reasonable, right? Trolling? Who, me? Heavens, I'm the one against dog-♥♥♥♥♥♥♥!

Originally posted by Khor:

Lately, bevet`s trollings have been more useful than the average forum user... and that`s...seriously disturbing:wrynscared:

I'll admit to having wondered a couple times if had him wrong, and he's just a guy that smokes an ungodly amount of pot. But then I remember things like this.