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♥Shelia♥ 2017 年 6 月 14 日 上午 3:48
Will the new assassins creed have Denuvo?
^ Title will it have the Malicious Denuvo bundled with it...

I am fine with DRM, just not denuvo for many reasons disccused on other games boards, and I know "I couldn't buy Ghost Recon Wild Lands" because of Denuvo...
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Panic Fire 2017 年 6 月 15 日 上午 9:14 
引用自 Lilith
引用自 Panic Fire

Denuvo is still sitting at 50% uncracked. Which is the still the most effective anti piracy solution available. So no he wasn't wrong, and yes you are talking out your ass.

Chances are people don't care about the games that are uncracked enough anyways ever notice that the most cracked games seem to be the most popular ones lol?

So because the cracking team doesn't care about the game they remain uncracked. So does that actually matter? I mean are the games cracked or not?
iemander 2017 年 6 月 15 日 上午 9:28 
引用自 Darkie
引用自 iemander
I love how the panicked pirates swarm legit boards posting lies out of desperation.

Its sad that you can't fathom its the othe way around.. Boat dwellers don't have any problems with the pains of the DRM, nor do they have

- Their sensitive information stolen and sold
- Their trends sold
- They have a better running game, due to not having the intrusive DRM that hinders processes

All in all the loser in this war is the honest paying customer..
And how exactly does sensitive data and trends get to Denuvo? And not having Denuvo will stop a game from doing that?

More misinformation and lies you're spreading here. Why do you do that?

As for your last point. ♥♥♥♥ developed games will be ♥♥♥♥ developed regardless of Denuvo. Which is exactly why there's absolutely 0% performance difference for a game like Tekken 7
iemander 2017 年 6 月 15 日 上午 9:30 
引用自 Panic Fire
引用自 Lilith

Chances are people don't care about the games that are uncracked enough anyways ever notice that the most cracked games seem to be the most popular ones lol?

So because the cracking team doesn't care about the game they remain uncracked. So does that actually matter? I mean are the games cracked or not?
It's funny to see that twisting and turning they're trying, uncracked is uncracked.
iemander 2017 年 6 月 15 日 上午 9:32 
引用自 Darkie
引用自 Panic Fire

- No proof of that what so ever unless you have some you are talking out your ass
- Again no data collection evidence what so ever.
- Not true again because all known cracks of Denuvo games arn't cracks they are workarounds and denuvo is still actually running in the background meaning you shouldn't actually see any performance differnce between a pirated version or a legit copy.

Its been mass spammed on several Ubisoft games (since they all use Denuvo) In all Ubisoft games the threads/post get deleted.

I do however think I saw a few of the articles up in another game forum (where its not Ubisoft as the pop)

Almost anything collects trends and even the EULA of the last Ubisoft game consisted of you agreeing to give away that information, so .....

The latter is not exactly true in every case. There is a great difference of having to "call home" al lthe time and not to state one of the differences.
So Ubisoft collects trends, what does that have to do with Denuvo?
Panic Fire 2017 年 6 月 15 日 上午 9:33 
引用自 iemander
引用自 Panic Fire

So because the cracking team doesn't care about the game they remain uncracked. So does that actually matter? I mean are the games cracked or not?
It's funny to see that twisting and turning they're trying, uncracked is uncracked.

Personally I would rather not have denuvo than have it, though honestly I've never actually noticed its presence in games so its not a real big breaking point for me either way. That all being said, I can't stand made up ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ thats only being used to push a specific agenda. It really gets my goat.
AdahnGorion 2017 年 6 月 15 日 上午 9:35 
引用自 iemander
引用自 Darkie

Its sad that you can't fathom its the othe way around.. Boat dwellers don't have any problems with the pains of the DRM, nor do they have

- Their sensitive information stolen and sold
- Their trends sold
- They have a better running game, due to not having the intrusive DRM that hinders processes

All in all the loser in this war is the honest paying customer..
And how exactly does sensitive data and trends get to Denuvo? And not having Denuvo will stop a game from doing that?

More misinformation and lies you're spreading here. Why do you do that?

As for your last point. ♥♥♥♥ developed games will be ♥♥♥♥ developed regardless of Denuvo. Which is exactly why there's absolutely 0% performance difference for a game like Tekken 7

We can go on for ages.. But in the end it can be cooked down to.

You don't care if you are restricted and annoyed to prevent something you don't do

As opposed to me.. I bought a ton of games (since I can afford luxury, even awful ones if I wanted) But I refuse to support a luxury good that tries to punish me because others don't want to support it.. The only thing DRM do is to turn more away from being honest customers and more into a life on a boat..

If you look at some of the most popular games on PC you will notice that alot of them do not have super intrusive DRM.. We already have steam and most accept that, not all.
Panic Fire 2017 年 6 月 15 日 上午 9:54 
引用自 Darkie
引用自 iemander
And how exactly does sensitive data and trends get to Denuvo? And not having Denuvo will stop a game from doing that?

More misinformation and lies you're spreading here. Why do you do that?

As for your last point. ♥♥♥♥ developed games will be ♥♥♥♥ developed regardless of Denuvo. Which is exactly why there's absolutely 0% performance difference for a game like Tekken 7

We can go on for ages.. But in the end it can be cooked down to.

You don't care if you are restricted and annoyed to prevent something you don't do

As opposed to me.. I bought a ton of games (since I can afford luxury, even awful ones if I wanted) But I refuse to support a luxury good that tries to punish me because others don't want to support it.. The only thing DRM do is to turn more away from being honest customers and more into a life on a boat..

If you look at some of the most popular games on PC you will notice that alot of them do not have super intrusive DRM.. We already have steam and most accept that, not all.

No it can't. It can be cooked down to you don't like denuvo and you keep making up or parroting things you heard about denuvo but you can't actually sourse or support your arguments at all. It has nothing to do with likeing or disliking and everything to do with you making up ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ over and over again and treating it like facts. So again stop trying to "boil" this argument down to somthing to suit your needs and argue your logic, or lack there of.
AlexUbel989 2017 年 6 月 15 日 上午 10:04 
引用自 Panic Fire
引用自 AlexUbel989

Actually it wasn't disproven, the developers just said people were lying about it, and it was swept under the rug over a long period of time. As one of those people that did in fact have this very issue with the initial Denuvo, I can say for a fact it was a problem. A problem they fixed with the 2nd version of Denuvo. So while it certainly is no longer a problem. It was in fact an issue that existed.

And I call ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on you good sir. No denuvo did not burn through the read writes on your ssd.

Personally I don't care one bit what you think, or the fact that you beleive what the devs had to say about it, when multiple customers had problems with the initial version. I know it happened, and that is all I need to know about the situation.

I'm beginning to think you are paid to defend Denuvo, because you really seem really bothered by the fact that people have a problem with it. For the record I don't think it is as bad as others want it to be, I just don't agree with DRM (or in this case anti-tampering...which is just DRM by another name) as a general rule. I haven't let that stop me from buying games I want to play, as can be seen by my game list. I have several games that use Denuvo.
AdahnGorion 2017 年 6 月 15 日 上午 10:06 
引用自 Panic Fire
引用自 Darkie

We can go on for ages.. But in the end it can be cooked down to.

You don't care if you are restricted and annoyed to prevent something you don't do

As opposed to me.. I bought a ton of games (since I can afford luxury, even awful ones if I wanted) But I refuse to support a luxury good that tries to punish me because others don't want to support it.. The only thing DRM do is to turn more away from being honest customers and more into a life on a boat..

If you look at some of the most popular games on PC you will notice that alot of them do not have super intrusive DRM.. We already have steam and most accept that, not all.

No it can't. It can be cooked down to you don't like denuvo and you keep making up or parroting things you heard about denuvo but you can't actually sourse or support your arguments at all. It has nothing to do with likeing or disliking and everything to do with you making up ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ over and over again and treating it like facts. So again stop trying to "boil" this argument down to somthing to suit your needs and argue your logic, or lack there of.

You have put furth no evidence yourself.. But let me guess.. you want to convince me that Denuvo does not call "home" regulary as well right ?

The fact is that Denuvo is not just waste of cash, its downright mad to give 3rd party groups free space to do whatever they like in huge games..

I support hassle free games where nobody thinks I am a theif, because with all DRM even Denuvo, the theifs will get it anyway... The only losers are honest paying customers, like you and me.


But Denuvo is only one of many reasons I would never touch or support this title..
AlexUbel989 2017 年 6 月 15 日 上午 10:10 
引用自 iemander
引用自 Turbo Nozomix

blah blah
Lol, you think some insults will prove your point?

Please try again, why do you lie about Denuvo being defeated when half the games with Denuvo have never been cracked? There are many of them in Denuvo v2 and v3 that aren't cracked. v4 seems easier, but v5 might not be? Fact remains that it does what no ever anti-piracy software has ever done before it, while needing absolutely no root access within the user context and running completely from the executable.

Again, why lie? Why do you do that. Why not be honest about it.

Too be fair, most of those games aren't even being worked on to be cracked in the first place. So saying that half the games haven't been cracked may be an accurate statement, but you also have to take into account that noone is trying to crack THOSE games. I see new ones all the time that were "forgotten" about being cracked, but those games either won't be worked on, or they are on the backburner for newer games coming out.
iemander 2017 年 6 月 15 日 上午 10:18 
引用自 Darkie
引用自 iemander
And how exactly does sensitive data and trends get to Denuvo? And not having Denuvo will stop a game from doing that?

More misinformation and lies you're spreading here. Why do you do that?

As for your last point. ♥♥♥♥ developed games will be ♥♥♥♥ developed regardless of Denuvo. Which is exactly why there's absolutely 0% performance difference for a game like Tekken 7

We can go on for ages.. But in the end it can be cooked down to.

You don't care if you are restricted and annoyed to prevent something you don't do

As opposed to me.. I bought a ton of games (since I can afford luxury, even awful ones if I wanted) But I refuse to support a luxury good that tries to punish me because others don't want to support it.. The only thing DRM do is to turn more away from being honest customers and more into a life on a boat..

If you look at some of the most popular games on PC you will notice that alot of them do not have super intrusive DRM.. We already have steam and most accept that, not all.
There's absolutely nothing intrusive about Denuvo. I think you have fallen into the pirate's trap that spin untrue stories about it.

That's what's great about it: it's not intrusive, it's very performant, it has a single focus in anti tamper, it's third party and it works very well.

And I don't like the fact that pirates can play games for free when I paid money for it. Most have a problem with that. Just look at what happens when someone admits piracy, a lot of insults.
iemander 2017 年 6 月 15 日 上午 10:20 
引用自 AlexUbel989
引用自 iemander
Lol, you think some insults will prove your point?

Please try again, why do you lie about Denuvo being defeated when half the games with Denuvo have never been cracked? There are many of them in Denuvo v2 and v3 that aren't cracked. v4 seems easier, but v5 might not be? Fact remains that it does what no ever anti-piracy software has ever done before it, while needing absolutely no root access within the user context and running completely from the executable.

Again, why lie? Why do you do that. Why not be honest about it.

Too be fair, most of those games aren't even being worked on to be cracked in the first place. So saying that half the games haven't been cracked may be an accurate statement, but you also have to take into account that noone is trying to crack THOSE games. I see new ones all the time that were "forgotten" about being cracked, but those games either won't be worked on, or they are on the backburner for newer games coming out.
Compare that to predenuvo when games were getting cracked immediately. I call that a success. Perfection is hard to obtain but if Denuvo can stop piracy for 50% then that's a job well done.
AlexUbel989 2017 年 6 月 15 日 上午 10:21 
引用自 iemander
引用自 Panic Fire

So because the cracking team doesn't care about the game they remain uncracked. So does that actually matter? I mean are the games cracked or not?
It's funny to see that twisting and turning they're trying, uncracked is uncracked.

That doesn't mean they can't be, or haven't been (unreleased crack), just that noone cares to do it for those games. The lack of a group not doing something...is not evidence that it can't be done.

Whether it is circumventing Denuvo (which by the way Panic Fire, any game I have pirated which used Denuvo, did not in fact have Denuvo running when it was bypassed, so you are misinformed on that point), or straight ripping it out...Denuvo as it stands today is defeated. That said...it was never designed to not be cracked/defeated...it was designed to get those First Day sales from consumers. Both the impatient and people that don't pirate games in the first place. So it does exactly what it is supposed to do.

As for those games that "call home" all the time. Which is the developers call. There is a solution for that as well. Denuvo is not the same as when it was released, and the argument that it isn't as intrusive as it is made out to be is a valid one.
AlexUbel989 2017 年 6 月 15 日 上午 10:31 
引用自 iemander
引用自 AlexUbel989

Too be fair, most of those games aren't even being worked on to be cracked in the first place. So saying that half the games haven't been cracked may be an accurate statement, but you also have to take into account that noone is trying to crack THOSE games. I see new ones all the time that were "forgotten" about being cracked, but those games either won't be worked on, or they are on the backburner for newer games coming out.
Compare that to predenuvo when games were getting cracked immediately. I call that a success. Perfection is hard to obtain but if Denuvo can stop piracy for 50% then that's a job well done.

But that is the point, it hasn't stopped piracy by any percentage what-so-ever. That 50% is an arbitrary number given that a lot of those games wouldn't have been worked on in the first place. Apathy is not a measure of success. All you have to do is look at what has came out in the past 6 months when it comes to the cracking game, and Denuvo's percentage of success is significantly lower, as most new releases have been cracked already.

That said, I do applaud the devs of Denuvo for designing a system that has slowed that process down in most cases, even if their program installs itself in your root, and can not be uninstalled by conventional means.
iemander 2017 年 6 月 15 日 上午 11:01 
引用自 AlexUbel989
引用自 iemander
Compare that to predenuvo when games were getting cracked immediately. I call that a success. Perfection is hard to obtain but if Denuvo can stop piracy for 50% then that's a job well done.

But that is the point, it hasn't stopped piracy by any percentage what-so-ever. That 50% is an arbitrary number given that a lot of those games wouldn't have been worked on in the first place. Apathy is not a measure of success. All you have to do is look at what has came out in the past 6 months when it comes to the cracking game, and Denuvo's percentage of success is significantly lower, as most new releases have been cracked already.

That said, I do applaud the devs of Denuvo for designing a system that has slowed that process down in most cases, even if their program installs itself in your root, and can not be uninstalled by conventional means.
Without Denuvo all those games in the 50% would have been cracked immediately​ no exception. That's the difference Denuvo has made, which is a mighty achievement
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