Nightmare Pack

[Buck_Breaker]

Ubi honestly what the ♥♥♥♥ is wrong with you, Origins is 9 or 9.5/10 and you come with this ridicoulous price about this pack?

[Ohmz]

This is actually BS. I didn't know anything about this Nightmare pack. I just bought the Gold edition for £75 thinking the seaosn pass would cover any extras released for the forseeable future, but apparently it doesn't cover the Nightmare Pack, what's up with that?

[Epero]

This is why we all treat CD Projekt like some heroes. Just look at their 16 DLC for free.
I buy gold edition for 100 € and I still should have paid for additional costumes? So why was I such Idiot and believe that "gold edition" is really something special? Because CD Projekt spoiled me and make me think that other companies can make fair trades.

And please, don´t even bother to tell me that I can get them through heku chest. You either take players as customers, or as milking cows.
When you add things for free, or at least for season pass owners and when you want more money for such small additions, it clearly shows how you see your customers.
I know, Ubisoft is big company, they don´t need to care about customers, which is sad.

And saying that E-Store items and DLC items are different thing is just loophole, how to go around for technicalities.

[你没有朋友]

Originally posted by Epero:

This is why we all treat CD Projekt like some heroes. Just look at their 16 DLC for free.
I buy gold edition for 100 € and I still should have paid for additional costumes? So why was I such Idiot and believe that "gold edition" is really something special? Because CD Projekt spoiled me and make me think that other companies can make fair trades.

And please, don´t even bother to tell me that I can get them through heku chest. You either take players as customers, or as milking cows.
When you add things for free, or at least for season pass owners and when you want more money for such small additions, it clearly shows how you see your customers.
I know, Ubisoft is big company, they don´t need to care about customers, which is sad.

And saying that E-Store items and DLC items are different thing is just loophole, how to go around for technicalities.

Originally posted by Ohmz:

This is actually BS. I didn't know anything about this Nightmare pack. I just bought the Gold edition for £75 thinking the seaosn pass would cover any extras released for the forseeable future, but apparently it doesn't cover the Nightmare Pack, what's up with that?

Gold edition is basically a cheap way of getting game and season pass.

Think of it this way the game is £50 (apologies as it seems like your in us but I'm in UK so this makes it easier for me but you can still see the price difference) the deluxe edition is £60 and gold is £75, the prices are different on the ubisoft store last time i checked

I noticed that you have it on Steam so let's use steam prices If buy the game then upgrade to deluxe that's £59 which is £1 cheaper than buying deluxe. If I buy game then upgrade to deluxe then buy season pass it's £94 which is £19 more than the gold edition. If I buy game then season pass it's £85 which is already more than the good edition which includes deluxe content.

So to sum it up basically the gold edition includes the game and main dlcs, not cosmetics and such. Look at wd2 for example, I own gold edition and have like 4 of the 20 or so available cosmetic dlcs. Same with r6s

[Epero]

Originally posted by 你没有朋友:

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Yes, I know. That is why I mentioned Witcher. It is like fair trade. We make game - you pay us and everything in game is yours. We make big addition and you pay again, but not for stupid things.

You can spend same amount as game itself if you want to buy all those cosmetic things.
Square Enix wanted also milking for Lara costumes in Risen of Tomb Raider and then they give them for free for season pass.

We talk about it in Risen of Tomb Raider forum. Yes, technically there isn´t any law that season pass should give you everything. They can even specify that it gives you this and this, but not that. But it is common practice that it gives you everything.
In restaurant is standard to give you napkin. But technically it isn´t food so they can charge you extra for napkins. They will not break law, but it will be against policy of decency and fair trade. But restaurants have more competition so they try to be more straightforward.

Many games simply give you all additional content thanks to season pass. I know that money is money. And everybody loves money. But enough is enough.

Hitman also makes it. You own "whole season" but here is one suit more for 3€. At least it is not price of whole game like Ubisoft want.
Negative critics have also Deus Ex: Mankin Divided and Shadow of War (they make big suprprise with Shadow of Mordor and they feel the money and want more and more and more. Just with sequel and whole game is built on stupid micro transactions).

They should make good product, be proud of it and if it is good and they sold few million copies they will have money. But money rule it in whole. Square Enix even consider some games as failure even when they make more money than was investment in production and marketing. We know how they get rid of Hitman franchise which has for many years good name in gaming community.

[Darth Revan]

Originally posted by Ohmz:

This is actually BS. I didn't know anything about this Nightmare pack. I just bought the Gold edition for £75 thinking the seaosn pass would cover any extras released for the forseeable future, but apparently it doesn't cover the Nightmare Pack, what's up with that?

the nightmare pack is not a dlc, its a addition to the e-store, thats why it is not included in the season pass, none of the items in the e-store are included in the season pass.

but you can get all items as random item from the heka chests for free if you are lucky, as it is with all items in the e-store.

[Epero]

Originally posted by Legat Lucanus:

the nightmare pack is not a dlc, its a addition to the e-store, thats why it is not included in the season pass, none of the items in the e-store are included in the season pass.

but you can get all items as random item from the heka chests for free if you are lucky, as it is with all items in the e-store.

That´s why I wrote about restaurant and napkins.
They can make story content and not call it DLC, but BSC - Bonus special content - and ask money again, regardless of season pass and gold editions.
It is loophole, please stop using it as argument, it is not.

[Mephisto-Luzifer]

Just saw it. The Helix Credits you need cost you 15 €/$ - for a skin package.. 1/4 the price of the standart game for skins.. Would expect this from ea..

[Lanzagranadas]

So the game has three versions and none of them actually includes all the content. Never say the industries can get worse, it can allways get worse.

[Darth Revan]

Originally posted by Epero:

Originally posted by Legat Lucanus:

the nightmare pack is not a dlc, its a addition to the e-store, thats why it is not included in the season pass, none of the items in the e-store are included in the season pass.

but you can get all items as random item from the heka chests for free if you are lucky, as it is with all items in the e-store.

That´s why I wrote about restaurant and napkins.
They can make story content and not call it DLC, but BSC - Bonus special content - and ask money again, regardless of season pass and gold editions.
It is loophole, please stop using it as argument, it is not.

what is a argument and what not is nothing universal, it depends on each single individual opinion about the argument. :)

I just explained why its not part of the season pass, that was a neutral expleneation which dont was for or against anything.

[Darth Revan]

Originally posted by Mephisto-Luzifer:

Just saw it. The Helix Credits you need cost you 15 €/$ - for a skin package.. 1/4 the price of the standart game for skins.. Would expect this from ea..

well, everybody who actually looked at the credits price of the items in the e-store knew before its release that the nightmarepack will be expensive, why should it use a different price per item than the regular e-store items when its a addition to the e-store.

It just uses the standard e-store item prices and gift you a weapon if you buy the pack instead of every singel item seperately similar to the weapon packs which are there since release.

of course it is too expensive but it was only logical and predictable. :)

[Epero]

Originally posted by Legat Lucanus:

well, everybody who actually looked at the credits price of the items in the e-store knew before its release that the nightmarepack will be expensive, why should it use a different price per item than the regular e-store items when its a addition to the e-store.

It just uses the standard e-store item prices and gift you a weapon if you buy the pack instead of every singel item seperately similar to the weapon packs which are there since release.

of course it is too expensive but it was only logical and predictable. :)

No, I don´t think that anyobody who pay full price for game, preorder it and even in gold edition will expect such expensive content. It is logical for company to want more money, it is predictable to expect that companies will have no moral boundries, but somehow we still in deep in our souls expect that maybe when we pay for gold version, we woldn´t be treated like idiots.

[Epero]

Originally posted by Legat Lucanus:

what is a argument and what not is nothing universal, it depends on each single individual opinion about the argument. :)

I just explained why its not part of the season pass, that was a neutral expleneation which dont was for or against anything.

You are right.
If killer is released on some technical mistake by court it doesn´t mean he isn´t guilty.
But as you said, some individuals can use his release as an argument that he is innocent. Technically it is OK, even when we all know that it isn´t true.

[Panic Fire]

Originally posted by Epero:

Originally posted by Legat Lucanus:

well, everybody who actually looked at the credits price of the items in the e-store knew before its release that the nightmarepack will be expensive, why should it use a different price per item than the regular e-store items when its a addition to the e-store.

It just uses the standard e-store item prices and gift you a weapon if you buy the pack instead of every singel item seperately similar to the weapon packs which are there since release.

of course it is too expensive but it was only logical and predictable. :)

No, I don´t think that anyobody who pay full price for game, preorder it and even in gold edition will expect such expensive content. It is logical for company to want more money, it is predictable to expect that companies will have no moral boundries, but somehow we still in deep in our souls expect that maybe when we pay for gold version, we woldn´t be treated like idiots.

Well considering most of you are idiots....

Base Game
Season Pass
Cash Shop

All Recent Ubi Games Have this

Gold Edition earns you the Base Game + Season Pass (which includes all DLC)
The nightmare pack is a cash shop item.

All cash shop items can be earned in the regular game by opening Helka Chests.

Frankly don't see what the complaint is about?

And to very blunt The season pass tells you exactly what you are getting.


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[Darth Revan]

Originally posted by Epero:

Originally posted by Legat Lucanus:

well, everybody who actually looked at the credits price of the items in the e-store knew before its release that the nightmarepack will be expensive, why should it use a different price per item than the regular e-store items when its a addition to the e-store.

It just uses the standard e-store item prices and gift you a weapon if you buy the pack instead of every singel item seperately similar to the weapon packs which are there since release.

of course it is too expensive but it was only logical and predictable. :)

No, I don´t think that anyobody who pay full price for game, preorder it and even in gold edition will expect such expensive content. It is logical for company to want more money, it is predictable to expect that companies will have no moral boundries, but somehow we still in deep in our souls expect that maybe when we pay for gold version, we woldn´t be treated like idiots.

Yes, everybody can expect this simply by looking into the e-store and see that a outfit costs 500 credits, a mount consts 500 credits and a weapon costs 250 credtis, as i said, the price of the pack was predictable.

beside of that they tell you exactly what is contained in the season pass.

Originally posted by Epero:

Originally posted by Legat Lucanus:

what is a argument and what not is nothing universal, it depends on each single individual opinion about the argument. :)

I just explained why its not part of the season pass, that was a neutral expleneation which dont was for or against anything.

You are right.
If killer is released on some technical mistake by court it doesn´t mean he isn´t guilty.
But as you said, some individuals can use his release as an argument that he is innocent. Technically it is OK, even when we all know that it isn´t true.

That dont change the fact that the validity of a argument is nothing universal. Something which is not a valid argument for you can be the most valid argument in the world for a other person.

[Epero]

Originally posted by Legat Lucanus:

That dont change the fact that the validity of a argument is nothing universal. Something which is not a valid argument for you can be the most valid argument in the world for a other person.

Moral relativism is very dangerous.
You are again right. Some people consisder slavery as a natural thing. Other consider it as terrible act.
With moral relativism there will be never done anything, because there will be no universal principles for what is right and what is wrong, what is fair and unfair, what is OK and what is crime.
By your definision of argument can´t be win any dispute, because if you have two people with different moral values, different opinions on what is valid argument and what is not, then whole discussion between them is pointles because from start they knew that there si no chance to convince other one.

By this definition we can´t say that nazis were bad, because their culture consider it as normal standard and they will believe in their arguments that they were doing right thing.
Even if we don´t take moral absolutism, we shouldn´t tolerate evil, or unfair business practices.