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NBA2K14HOODMOMENTS имеет Insurgency: Sandstorm

18 июл. 2020 г. в 10:28

desert eagle or revolver as handgun?

I always wanted a high caliber handgun in the game, just thought it would be fun.
you could have 2 desert eagle variants to choose from (.44 magnum or .50 AE caliber)
having a revolver such as the pfeifer-Zeliska would be nice too.

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I still like the idea of having some guns that are just meme guns in the game, they wont be used in serious games, but to have some stupid fun they would be great (like a Desert eagle, a stechkin APS or a full auto glock).

From a serious standpoint these guns would also make sense, because the insurgents range from armed thugs to special forces with everything between. So of course you will have posers among these that just want a high caliber pistol for show or have a simple old revolver, because they dont have anything else to begin with.

The other side of the spectrum would be people from the security side that have the money and the opportunity to get rare and expensive guns from different countries as a private gun that you are allowed to use in the military. Automatic pistols come to mind, pretty ineffective, but again for show-offs. The same goes for stuff like a Five-seven, .44 Magnum etc.

I can understand when people say "BUT MY REALISM", because these guns are no standard issued gun in a military sense, but with that standpoiint you also should be against machine pistols and pistol caliber main guns, because these arent used by front troops, but mostly for troops that most likely wont see any frontline combat (like medics, drivers, logistic troops etc), none of these are classes in the game and every class in the game should be bound to assault and battle rifles because of that. (not even to begin with a short barrel .50 cal sniper rifle or shotgun in general as a replacement for an ssault rifle).

I still want to see all these guns in the game, yes, they are stupid, yes, they arent really realistic to be there, but the game is about fun and using a big powerful handcannon or a bullethose is fun, silly, dumb fun, but still fun. I rather want a gun in the game i wont use than a gun that is not in the game but would be used for fun by people.

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GKNOVA6

29 июл. 2020 г. в 11:19

C'mon do those tactic-cool molle looks like regular webbing gear to you? Not mention those expensive high-end GPNVG, the in game "Security" is absolutely any regular frontline soldiers. And you can't even tell the difference? I'm pretty sure you have no idea what are you talking about.....

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NBA2K14HOODMOMENTS имеет Insurgency: Sandstorm

30 июл. 2020 г. в 7:42

I don't know what anyone is talking about I am new to the game and don't know the context of military realism I just thought a desert eagle handgun would be cool

#32

NickySins

30 июл. 2020 г. в 10:30

Автор сообщения: vanya triceps
I don't know what anyone is talking about I am new to the game and don't know the context of military realism I just thought a desert eagle handgun would be cool

The Desert Eagle is not a good weapon for combat, games made it popular by showing this literal Handcannon destroying everything else. That's not how it works in real life. And this game wants to be more realistic than games like COD or BF while also trying to be a fun game at the same time, aka not a simulator.

The only military that uses it i heard was the Polish JW GROM, who use it as a breaching device.

#33

NBA2K14HOODMOMENTS имеет Insurgency: Sandstorm

30 июл. 2020 г. в 13:42

Автор сообщения: Crimean Fried Chicken
Автор сообщения: vanya triceps
I don't know what anyone is talking about I am new to the game and don't know the context of military realism I just thought a desert eagle handgun would be cool

The Desert Eagle is not a good weapon for combat, games made it popular by showing this literal Handcannon destroying everything else. That's not how it works in real life. And this game wants to be more realistic than games like COD or BF while also trying to be a fun game at the same time, aka not a simulator.

The only military that uses it i heard was the Polish JW GROM, who use it as a breaching device.

i'm sorry

#34

NickySins

30 июл. 2020 г. в 15:25

Автор сообщения: vanya triceps
Автор сообщения: Crimean Fried Chicken

The Desert Eagle is not a good weapon for combat, games made it popular by showing this literal Handcannon destroying everything else. That's not how it works in real life. And this game wants to be more realistic than games like COD or BF while also trying to be a fun game at the same time, aka not a simulator.

The only military that uses it i heard was the Polish JW GROM, who use it as a breaching device.
i'm sorry

Lmao what are you sorry for? Asking for something is not a crime, im just explaining why it wouldn't work in Sandstorm.

But i mean... We did get a Welrod... I still would prefer a powerfull revolver instead, because i love powerfull revolvers... (:

#35

LucSon

31 июл. 2020 г. в 16:26

Автор сообщения: GKNOVA6
And as I remember that GROM have some .357 Desert Eagle in their inventory.

Don't forget the Grupo de Operações Especiais!

Отредактировано LucSon; 31 июл. 2020 г. в 16:26

#36

Staleon

31 авг. 2020 г. в 9:51

Автор сообщения: GKNOVA6
Seems lots of post asks for such guns. And yet none of one make sense.

Before devs considering adding those high caliber sidearms. We should answer this question first "Why do we need such weapons in current game?"

IRL, some special forces did use high caliber pistol for special purpose. Like GIGN adopted MR 73 .357 as "sniper" weapon in those situations that regular scoped rifles are too bulky or too powerful to use. And as I remember that GROM have some .357 Desert Eagle in their inventory.

So does this means we should add high caliber sidearms in game? I don't think so.

Adding such guns means adding a small semi-auto rifles into that slot. As the in game TTK is so low if you just want a hand cannon you could just pick M45/M1911, and no point for such powerful pistol.

High caliber pistol like Desert Eagle is just like full auto Glock 18 would break the purpose of sidearms in current game as a "backup" weapon. If you're a fan-boi for those things, just go play other games. I don't see any niche for such things in a tactical shooter like Insurgency: Sandstorm.

The one who doesn't make sense is you. And I am not just talking about your neigh incomprehensible syntax.

You already admitted that it's a gun that would actually exist in the scenarios that the game is attempting to simulate, which IS a good reason to at least consider it as a possible candidate for new updates.

Furthermore, your objection that the gun would somehow compete with primary firearms is nonsensical. It's a matter of balance at the end of the day, the devs can tweak any properties they want in order to make it fit without breaking the meta. Even if they made it incredibly powerfull, there's no reason to assume it would compete with primary weapons or even other secondaries. Having just 8 rounds is a big detrement, even if you have a high caliber, and the large amount of recoil can lead to a much lower firerate. Pretty much every primary weapon would beat it in most properties, and end up making it, once again, just a sidearm. There's a reason why it's not a super common weapon in the real world. It has pros and cons, it's not perfect.

Why have an M45 and an M1911? Why two antimaterial rifles? Why two AKs? There are many guns that don't NEED to be there. It's nice to have variety, especially when variety in selection comes with different pros and cons to toy around with.

You agree that they need to add more content to keep the game fresh, and so far we can conclude that a Desert Eagle not only fits the setting, but can easily fit the gameplay too. It seems that you just do not like the idea because you don't like the Desert Eagle. It's just a matter of preference.

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Cynical Nerdist имеет Insurgency: Sandstorm

31 авг. 2020 г. в 11:16

You can't complain about people asking for the Desert Eagle by saying "it's a meme gun, why would we need this" when the M82A1 CQ and Welrod are already in the game lmao.

Отредактировано Cynical Nerdist; 31 авг. 2020 г. в 11:16

#38

NickySins

31 авг. 2020 г. в 11:36

Автор сообщения: Cynical Nerdist
You can't complain about people asking for the Desert Eagle by saying "it's a meme gun, why would we need this" when the M82A1 CQ and Welrod are already in the game lmao.

What's wrong with the M82A1 CQ? It's not a meme gun lol

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Cynical Nerdist имеет Insurgency: Sandstorm

31 авг. 2020 г. в 11:41

Автор сообщения: Cpl. Boris
Автор сообщения: Cynical Nerdist
You can't complain about people asking for the Desert Eagle by saying "it's a meme gun, why would we need this" when the M82A1 CQ and Welrod are already in the game lmao.

What's wrong with the M82A1 CQ? It's not a meme gun lol

Well my point is is a ridiculously huge, powerful gun. The Desert Eagle isn't even as powerful as this thing, so why are we drawing a distinction with the Deagle?

Отредактировано Cynical Nerdist; 31 авг. 2020 г. в 11:42

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NickySins

31 авг. 2020 г. в 11:44

Автор сообщения: Cynical Nerdist
Автор сообщения: Cpl. Boris

What's wrong with the M82A1 CQ? It's not a meme gun lol

Well my point is is a ridiculously huge, powerful gun. The Desert Eagle isn't even as powerful as this thing, so why are we drawing a distinction with the Deagle?

It's called an AMR, they're used to shoot through hard cover and armored vehicles, they're very usefull in combat situations... Unlike the Deagle, the Deagle is horrible at everything, it only has its caliber going for it... And maybe the visuals, it looks sexy lol ;D

#41

-ExiLe`

31 авг. 2020 г. в 13:20

Автор сообщения: Staleon
Автор сообщения: GKNOVA6
Seems lots of post asks for such guns. And yet none of one make sense.

Before devs considering adding those high caliber sidearms. We should answer this question first "Why do we need such weapons in current game?"

IRL, some special forces did use high caliber pistol for special purpose. Like GIGN adopted MR 73 .357 as "sniper" weapon in those situations that regular scoped rifles are too bulky or too powerful to use. And as I remember that GROM have some .357 Desert Eagle in their inventory.

So does this means we should add high caliber sidearms in game? I don't think so.

Adding such guns means adding a small semi-auto rifles into that slot. As the in game TTK is so low if you just want a hand cannon you could just pick M45/M1911, and no point for such powerful pistol.

High caliber pistol like Desert Eagle is just like full auto Glock 18 would break the purpose of sidearms in current game as a "backup" weapon. If you're a fan-boi for those things, just go play other games. I don't see any niche for such things in a tactical shooter like Insurgency: Sandstorm.
The one who doesn't make sense is you. And I am not just talking about your neigh incomprehensible syntax.

You already admitted that it's a gun that would actually exist in the scenarios that the game is attempting to simulate, which IS a good reason to at least consider it as a possible candidate for new updates.

Furthermore, your objection that the gun would somehow compete with primary firearms is nonsensical. It's a matter of balance at the end of the day, the devs can tweak any properties they want in order to make it fit without breaking the meta. Even if they made it incredibly powerfull, there's no reason to assume it would compete with primary weapons or even other secondaries. Having just 8 rounds is a big detrement, even if you have a high caliber, and the large amount of recoil can lead to a much lower firerate. Pretty much every primary weapon would beat it in most properties, and end up making it, once again, just a sidearm. There's a reason why it's not a super common weapon in the real world. It has pros and cons, it's not perfect.

Why have an M45 and an M1911? Why two antimaterial rifles? Why two AKs? There are many guns that don't NEED to be there. It's nice to have variety, especially when variety in selection comes with different pros and cons to toy around with.

You agree that they need to add more content to keep the game fresh, and so far we can conclude that a Desert Eagle not only fits the setting, but can easily fit the gameplay too. It seems that you just do not like the idea because you don't like the Desert Eagle. It's just a matter of preference.

Nice story.

Ok fair enough, it can probably be balanced.

But you don't have a single argument how the gun fits in Sandstorm with the factions we have. Although fictional, it's pretty clear what type of conflict and which type of factions are portrayed in this game.

Just because we have the M45, M1911, AMR's and AK's (which should pretty clear why these are all in the game. hah) it means we should have the Deagle aswell? lol.

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