L85A2 should be insurgents weapon

[Landsknecht und Deutscher Ritter]

The L85 makes a lot more sense for the insurgents since it's an old weapon out of service by its primary designers and handed off to the middle east. If more appropriate bullpup options for security the AUG, VHS and F2000 are both in use by guys fighting against daesh.

[Stint Lint Flipliptip]

This reminds me of the guy that was trying to convince people that NWI should add a gun that didn't even exist into the game

[Landsknecht und Deutscher Ritter]

Originally posted by darx202:

It's entirely possible that the M4 is being given to reservists to ease supply chain burdens. (similar to how ww2 era Germany gave captured weapons and tanks to reserve line troops) Weapons require a whole logistic web to replace bits and bobs that get lost and broken. It makes logistic sense to give the L85 platform weapon to front line units so maintenance and parts can be streamlined where it's needed most. Personally, I dislike bullpup triggers and wouldn't trust the L85 after it's disastrous first launch, but I digress.

That being said, I believe NATO and UN forces are making a general shift toward AR (M16/M4/AR-15) pattern rifles (Note how the French are adopting the M416) It wouldn't surprise me if the British move toward something like that in the next decade.

But the M4 is standard with the Special Forces. If the guys who are your best soldiers want to use the best rifle in their opinion you're not going to also provide that same rifle to your worst soldiers.

Using your captured weapons analogy it would be like if the Nazi Germans gave their semi automatic rifles like the G43 out to the brandenburgers but then also gave them out to the volksturm. While issuing exclusively the kar98k to their infantry. You said it yourself too that they're already shifting towards the AR-15. Britain has had them in service since at least the 1960s. Originally as a specialized weapon and now seemingly standardized.

[Landsknecht und Deutscher Ritter]

Originally posted by Longshoreman X:

This reminds me of the guy that was trying to convince people that NWI should add a gun that didn't even exist into the game

What gun?

[Booba]

Originally posted by Humans Evolved from Vegan Cats:

That's what your quote said.

No it isn't.

Why would they be issuing the M4 to reservists otherwise? You issue the oldest and outdated equipment to the low priority force but the L119 can only have been adopted in 1994, which is a decade after the L85 was adopted. So they should be using the L85 if the M4 is only seeing limited specialized use with the Special Forces.

A 'low priority force' in this case being the close protection detail of diplomatic dignitaries in Afghanistan.

This is a common tactic among bad faith actors who use ad hominems instead of making a good argument.

In this case, I think it's fair and accurate to say that he who smelt it: dealt it.

[Postmates Malone]

L85 and variants are the standard issue rifle. By the same token that the british military can't afford the money to do anything, they also can't afford to switch a completely adequate infantry rifle for another adequate infantry rifle for their entire army. They shoot the same boolet, and they have more L85s than M4s. Why even make Three different L85 improvements if they were going to switch to the M4, which I'm pretty sure was available at the time?

[Toast]

Twitter, IG, Wiki ect are not credible sources. Nor is this individual.
The troll has won again with three pages of tolls

[Dyl4n]

L85? M4? Trust people on steam to know nothing about guns as usual. The only bullpup rifle used by europbean forces is the Famas. The UK and Elite French mountain forces have been using it as a standard issue rifle for ages.

[Impaired Vision]

L85A2 is used by the British Army, not an M4, not a C8 carbine, an L85A2. The only AR-type weapon used by the Army is the L129A1 marksman rifle, thats it. If you still think the British army uses an AR-type rifle as their standard issue rifle please drink some bleach to cleanse your brain of impurities.

[JustRyan]

Originally posted by Impaired Vision:

L85A2 is used by the British Army, not an M4, not a C8 carbine, an L85A2. The only AR-type weapon used by the Army is the L129A1 marksman rifle, thats it. If you still think the British army uses an AR-type rifle as their standard issue rifle please drink some bleach to cleanse your brain of impurities.

Agreed...

[Mr Dakkyz]

UK train with US troops, they have also trained with french troops and use each others weapons (In Training) , some of the stuff you linked are special forces not regular army.

SAS, Commandos, Private sector security lol tf?

[Landsknecht und Deutscher Ritter]

Originally posted by Scuba Steve:

Originally posted by Humans Evolved from Vegan Cats:

That's what your quote said.

No it isn't.

Why would they be issuing the M4 to reservists otherwise? You issue the oldest and outdated equipment to the low priority force but the L119 can only have been adopted in 1994, which is a decade after the L85 was adopted. So they should be using the L85 if the M4 is only seeing limited specialized use with the Special Forces.

A 'low priority force' in this case being the close protection detail of diplomatic dignitaries in Afghanistan.

This is a common tactic among bad faith actors who use ad hominems instead of making a good argument.

In this case, I think it's fair and accurate to say that he who smelt it: dealt it.

I didn't use any ad hominems, I pointed out that you were using them.

Also reservists are a low priority force. Especially security guards. Video games aren't like reality. In reality you don't give your best gear to guards because they're very rarely going to see combat. useless you get fairy low performing recruits for that job that are unfit for direct combat.

[Hartford688]

Originally posted by Longshoreman X:

This reminds me of the guy that was trying to convince people that NWI should add a gun that didn't even exist into the game

It is the same guy under (yet another) name. Don't waste time debating with him...he is trolling or delusional. And absolutely no evidence you can produce will ever, ever persuade him that his nutty assertions are wrong. He is truly special.

[Landsknecht und Deutscher Ritter]

Originally posted by TAW AzarashiNoji:

L85 and variants are the standard issue rifle. By the same token that the british military can't afford the money to do anything, they also can't afford to switch a completely adequate infantry rifle for another adequate infantry rifle for their entire army. They shoot the same boolet, and they have more L85s than M4s. Why even make Three different L85 improvements if they were going to switch to the M4, which I'm pretty sure was available at the time?

The L85 isn't an adequate infantry rifle, Along with the fact that the rifle is unreliable it has terrible ergonomics and weighs twice that of a normal rifle.

It also costs https://bootcampmilitaryfitnessinstitute.com/2018/01/03/sa80-rifle-cost-and-specifications/ 5,000$ for each rifle. Where the M4 costs about 700$. So they would be able to buy 7 M4 carbines for each L85.

Also the cost of a rifle is a complete non-issue for the military for the most part. If you had to worry about the cost of a soldier It's going to be more for the fact they cost 50,000-70,000$ a year to recruit them, another 10,000$ to train them infantry and millions of dollars in support such as transport and vehicles for them to use. Not a rifle.

Also before the M4 most British soldiers who actually went overseas used the M16.

[Landsknecht und Deutscher Ritter]

Originally posted by Mr Dakkyz:

UK train with US troops, they have also trained with french troops and use each others weapons (In Training) , some of the stuff you linked are special forces not regular army.

SAS, Commandos, Private sector security lol tf?

They're not using American issued rifles. There's also no pictures of private soldiers. Stop lying.

[Hartford688]

British Army's own official webpage:

https://www.army.mod.uk/equipment/small-arms-and-support-weapons/