Upgrading GTX 1050 2gb to GTX 1650 Ti 4gb Worth it? (laptop)

[mocha254204]

Nowadays I'm using my Acer Nitro 5 (2017 Model) With Intel i5 7300HQ Nvidia GTX 1050 (not ti version) 2gb vram and 16 gb Single Channel

I've played this game and it has CPU usage 98%-100% which sometimes causes "bottleneck" (for example, very inconsistantly fps sometime I got 35-100 fps and my GPU usage is around 70-90%)

so I've planned to upgrade (buy a new laptop because of graphics card shortage and I don't want to build a brand new desktop pc with a second-hand crypto mining card). The laptop that I want to buy is using Ryzen 7 4800h and GTX 1650Ti with 4gb vram so I want to know if It is worth upgrading.

[T-Bone Biggins]

I have a laptop with a 4600H and a 1650 in it. Tack on the cost of getting dual-channel ram (at least have 16GB) and whatever storage solution you need to add, 1TB NVME's are about $120 right now. Mine runs Satisfactory on med-high settings with no issues, Forza Horizon 4 high settings no problem. I think it's awesome how well a laptop that small can play games at 1080p so well.

Sandstorm on the other hand I do not attempt on my laptop, the game has FPS issues in totally overpowered PC's because it's not well optimized. My gaming desktop will randomly get FPS drops for no apparent reason on some days, other times it runs fine. It's perfectly stable with next to no dropped frames in the 3dMark stress test (a certain percentage is allowed to be called stable, my PC was way under that which is good) but if you are running it on your current laptop then it should run better with the same settings.

Just a GPU comparison on your current GPU vs my current GPU (the non-Ti 1650) shows a 67% effective speed improvement: https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1050-Mobile-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1650-Mobile/m211022vsm775280

That's a noticeable improvement. Now the question, what is that worth to you? Is it worth the price of that laptop upgrade?

[mocha254204]

Escrito originalmente por T-Bone Biggins:

I have a laptop with a 4600H and a 1650 in it. Tack on the cost of getting dual-channel ram (at least have 16GB) and whatever storage solution you need to add, 1TB NVME's are about $120 right now. Mine runs Satisfactory on med-high settings with no issues, Forza Horizon 4 high settings no problem. I think it's awesome how well a laptop that small can play games at 1080p so well.

Sandstorm on the other hand I do not attempt on my laptop, the game has FPS issues in totally overpowered PC's because it's not well optimized. My gaming desktop will randomly get FPS drops for no apparent reason on some days, other times it runs fine. It's perfectly stable with next to no dropped frames in the 3dMark stress test (a certain percentage is allowed to be called stable, my PC was way under that which is good) but if you are running it on your current laptop then it should run better with the same settings.

Just a GPU comparison on your current GPU vs my current GPU (the non-Ti 1650) shows a 67% effective speed improvement: https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1050-Mobile-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1650-Mobile/m211022vsm775280

That's a noticeable improvement. Now the question, what is that worth to you? Is it worth the price of that laptop upgrade?

Oh I forget about some details of my current laptop. It has a noticeable screen burn-in, 3-4 dots of dead pixel and deteriorated battery (battery health is 69% after I check by powercfg / batteryreport on CMD) and I check the screen and battery replacement price on customer service (which is around 7000-8000 THB or 233-266 USD which is the same as the second-hand price of this notebook sold on the facebook marketplace.) So whether this notebook will crash in the near future or not , I think I should bought a new one.

"Worth it" I mean, Is it worth the long term use of three to five years? (I mainly play old games and some of esport games such as CSGO, Valorant etc. and some of newer AAA games but not mainly and using for basic to moderate video editing.)

[Bazingarrey]

GTX 1060/RX 580 minimum if your budget can afford it

[T-Bone Biggins]

Escrito originalmente por Bazingarrey:

GTX 1060/RX 580 minimum if your budget can afford it

Budget can't afford it because of GPU shortage, guarantee right now. Miners are even snapping those up since a 1060 can make ~$2-4 a day in Etherium while costing ~20cents in electric. Line up 100 of them and you get the picture. Scalpers also ruined the GPU market, made all new GPU's near impossible to get.

The market being pooched is why I recommended my cousin getting back into PC gaming to get a laptop with a 1650 in it. For $750 he has something that can play whatever he wants and it's portable to boot. I will admit the ability to play in bed on a cooling pad just can't be beat, but I do miss the G-sync higher refresh rates from my desktop. Going from 144hz back down to 60hz makes my eyes sore for a few minutes.

[mocha254204]

Escrito originalmente por Bazingarrey:

GTX 1060/RX 580 minimum if your budget can afford it

The price in my country is twice the price it should be (before the 2nd wave of crypto mining trend the price was around 3500 thb or 116 usd but now it is 7700thb or 233 usd) so I think in the other countries will suffering from this too. (and it is a second hand price not a first hand price)

[T-Bone Biggins]

Escrito originalmente por Nutedth:

Escrito originalmente por Bazingarrey:

GTX 1060/RX 580 minimum if your budget can afford it

The price in my country is twice the price it should be (before the 2nd wave of crypto mining trend the price was around 3500 thb or 116 usd but now it is 7700thb or 233 usd) so I think in the other countries will suffering from this too. (and it is a second hand price not a first hand price)

Indeed, the laptops with the 1650's or 1650Ti are the minimum I would game with and they do it quite functionally at 1080p. They do it very well at 720p. Try to get one with a Ryzen, my cousin got an Asus TUF A15 lately and it's pretty good. I got the Gateway Creator series FHD with the 4600H and 1650 for $600 on a walmart sale. After I added a 2nd stick of 8gb DDR4 and a 1TB NVME it ended up being about the same price as the stock Asus TUF with same CPU and GPU but with more than double the storage and double the ram. As I type this that sale went away, but it dropped back down to $650 a few times.

These light gaming laptops are the way to go until GPU pricing comes back to MSRP. That might happen, might not.

[Kidd Dick Johnson]

my acer nitro 5 2020 version have i510300h and gtx 1650 ti , could go well medium settings with 60-90 , sometimes 50 when things goes south

[Bait]

For this game you'd be better served by the better CPU than the GPU. Your specs are indeed under, a 1070 would already be fine, but unless you have a rabid dog and a spider cloud flying over your head unless you upgrade, it's a better bet to await new RTX-30x0-powered laptops to hit the market. You might not buy them, but that will most probably drop prices of older versions, given that desktop 30x0s offer double the performance for the same price as 10x0s.

Most manufacturers don't even have 20x0s, so it might take a while, tho...

[T-Bone Biggins]

Escrito originalmente por Bait:

For this game you'd be better served by the better CPU than the GPU. Your specs are indeed under, a 1070 would already be fine, but unless you have a rabid dog and a spider cloud flying over your head unless you upgrade, it's a better bet to await new RTX-30x0-powered laptops to hit the market. You might not buy them, but that will most probably drop prices of older versions, given that desktop 30x0s offer double the performance for the same price as 10x0s.

Most manufacturers don't even have 20x0s, so it might take a while, tho...

The $600 pricepoint is the key part of my decision to get a 1650 laptop recently, and surprisingly it can run everything on the market except Red Dead Redemption 2 which almost seems like a game made to run deliberately like frozen dog-s--t.

EDIT: I own a much better specced desktop, the laptop was for gaming on the go and has come in handy so many times. Emulation and all the ROMS I want, Satisfactory and Anno 1800, Forza Horizon 4, Mechwarrior 5 Mercenaries, SupCom Forged Alliance, Stardew Valley, all of this stuff runs on high 1080p ~55-60fps or more. I'm happy as hell even on my days off just laying in bed stretched out and relaxed playing on my laptop. Handy for my wife's longer OBGYN appointments, sit in the car running on battery 2-3 hours (1650 is much more battery efficient than the 30xx series ever will be) or helps pass time at the hospital waiting to drive a family member home after a surgery.

[ViLKAS.]

laptop is never worth it

[Bait]

Escrito originalmente por T-Bone Biggins:

[...] (1650 is much more battery efficient than the 30xx series ever will be)[...]

Escrito originalmente por Bait:

[...]You might not buy them, but that will most probably drop prices of older versions,[...]

That's why.

Even if my argument was to buy the 3060, I wouldn't bet criticism on battery time either: 3060s' TDPs may start as low as 60w, not much higher than the 1650 Ti's 55w, which can be easily compensated by more efficient batteries. Yet it's almost twice as fast as the 1650, plus RTX.

But the real reason OP might want a new laptop is the CPU upgrade, not so much the GPU. That's why I said his/her specs are slightly under - for this game - as you've seen.

Edit: correcting references, as I mistook you for OP. Apologies.

[Bait]

Escrito originalmente por valdux:

laptop is never worth it

The depth of your argument is extremely convincing.
P.s.: full-time laptop user here.

[Kidd Dick Johnson]

Escrito originalmente por valdux:

laptop is never worth it

As a laptop user , its worth it lol

[T-Bone Biggins]

Escrito originalmente por Bait:

Escrito originalmente por T-Bone Biggins:

[...] (1650 is much more battery efficient than the 30xx series ever will be)[...]

Escrito originalmente por Bait:

[...]You might not buy them, but that will most probably drop prices of older versions,[...]

That's why.

Even if my argument was to buy the 3060, I wouldn't bet criticism on battery time either: 3060s' TDPs may start as low as 60w, not much higher than the 1650 Ti's 55w, which can be easily compensated by more efficient batteries. Yet it's almost twice as fast as the 1650, plus RTX.

But the real reason OP might want a new laptop is the CPU upgrade, not so much the GPU. That's why I said his/her specs are slightly under - for this game - as you've seen.

Edit: correcting references, as I mistook you for OP. Apologies.

Price matters, read what price I got that gateway with the 4600H and the 1650: $600 flat. A screen, keyboard, mobo, 8GB ram, 256gb SSD, and the GPU/CPU for $600. Can't make a budget PC that cheap unless you use integrated graphics that are worse. I wouldn't recommend a 1650 laptop above $750, the ASUS TUF my cousin got with the 1650 is nice. The new 30xx series laptops? They are not going to be that cheap.

We're in a good time for laptops. That 1650 is the lowest grade GPU I would consider ever for a laptop and it's capable of playing anything on medium or more at 1080p. 10 years ago I would never recommend a laptop for anything beyond basic 2d games, to get performance they would be heavy and expensive. At this price considering the current GPU shortage, and how thin and light my Gateway is, it's neat to have. Especially if you are on the move quite a lot.

When the laptops with the 30xx series GPU's drops to that $750 and under price range I would recommend that over the 1650. The 1650 just hits that price that makes it easier to digest. If I spent $200 more I could've gotten the same laptop with a 2060 in it for $800 on the same sale but I'd be dead broke and that would've compromised my family budget.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Gateway-Creator-Series-15-6-FHD-Performance-Notebook-AMD-Ryzen-5-4600H-NVIDIA-1650-GTX-8GB-RAM-256GB-SSD-Xbox-Game-Pass-PC-HD-Webcam-Cortana-Windows-/466827503

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Gateway-Creator-Series-15-6-FHD-Performance-Notebook-Intel-i5-10300H-NVIDIA-2060-RTX-8GB-RAM-256GB-SSD-Xbox-Game-Pass-PC-HD-Webcam-Cortana-Windows-10/425492039

[Bait]

We're on the same page... almost. I'll only point out that what I'm actually saying is that there might be an additional price drop once 30x0s flood the market, e.g. that $600 could become $500, or else you might get a 2060 for that $600.

Other than this, for this game specifically OP might want to pay close attention to the CPU. the 7300 is already at its limit, so anything slower would be a drag regardless of GPU.