Remove the fire support friendly fire penalty

[Democracy Enjoyer]

It is absolute bovine excrement that commanders are punished by being killed for players being hit. I call out a gun run, the game says GUN RUN CONFIRMED/STEEL RAIN INCOMING, there is a huge tower of yellow smoke, yet players are drawn to it like moths to a flame, and I'm killed for it? I have to sit out the rest of the objective because morons play this game like it's CS 1.6? That's my problem?

I'll never play a commander or observer role again because of this idiot mechanic designed by idiot developers.

Remove the friendly fire damage reflection mechanic from fire support because it is stupid and not fun. Your game is bad.

[D ubge]

Ok actual solution:
remove reflect from first 2 firesupport calls only
and gunship at any time (excluding rockets)
an insurgent runs to a teammate, gunship shoots them
splash damage kills...
the insurgent and the guy next to them the commander

[Democracy Enjoyer]

引用自 Prelude：

引用自 ;3096727531028763265：

Yeah, no. I'm with OP on this. With all the Rambos and Lemmings that infest this game, the friendly fire reflection is retarded. As is, "toxic teamkillers" tend to come in groups and abuse the friendly fire system by TKing in turns and rejoining after reflect is activated to continue their shenanigans.

Meanwhile, the above mentioned Rambos and Lemmings continue to not learn that running into fire support or running in front of a person who is firing will get them killed, because the game punishes said idiots less than it punishes those who aren't trying to play Carl on Duty.

Legitimate players should not be punished for the stupidity of Carl on Duty players, and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ are not at all phased by the oh-so-wonderful anti-trolling potential of friendly fire reflection.

Do you have an idea for a compromise?

No compromise. Remove the fire support friendly fire reflection mechanic.

引用自 Prelude：

Dude calm down. If there was no damage reflection, what' stopping a toxic teamkiller from just killing everyone? Disabling friendly fire for them wouldn't work, because some players would abuse it, running through an artillery barrage to attack a player who would not have expected it. I get your frustration about idiots running into fire support, but that's on them. This game relies upon players that communicate and push as one.

Don't tell me to calm down for posting a valid criticism of a stupid mechanic. Literally *nobody* uses fire support to troll by team killing, because it is far too slow. You want to TK someone put your gun to their skull and shoot till they die. Or use smoke grenades. Calling in artillery on someone as a troll? Impossible.

[Democracy Enjoyer]

引用自 p0tat0：

引用自 Prelude：

Dude calm down. If there was no damage reflection, what' stopping a toxic teamkiller from just killing everyone?

Vote kick?

Sure go ahead and call one. Nobody will vote to kick. Either because they don't know how to call a vote or because they just don't care. This game is so chock full of terrible people that they don't care if you are being TK'd. It's almost like a troll in and of itself to not vote kick someone trolling.

引用自 Berinos：

引用自 H A R D K V A § §：

It is absolute bovine excrement that commanders are punished by being killed for players being hit. I call out a gun run, the game says GUN RUN CONFIRMED/STEEL RAIN INCOMING, there is a huge tower of yellow smoke, yet players are drawn to it like moths to a flame, and I'm killed for it? I have to sit out the rest of the objective because morons play this game like it's CS 1.6? That's my problem?

I'll never play a commander or observer role again because of this idiot mechanic designed by idiot developers.

Remove the friendly fire damage reflection mechanic from fire support because it is stupid and not fun. Your game is bad.

how bout no.

Thank you for your terrible opinion.

引用自 🎀 Big Tiddy Mommy 🎀：

Have you ever considered using your microphone and notifying your teammates about the incoming fire support? This might be more of a pvp thing since I rarely encounter any problems calling stuff in on coop.
Just recently was playing on Summit Insurgents, ordered everyone to hold up as I was calling in a drone to drop down onto the roof of an objective building to clear the defenses.
Everyone was nice enough to listen and once the drone detonated we all began the assault.

I would heavily suggest constantly letting your team know about your chosen location of FS and if you got friendlies already on a spot you want to bomb, then maybe just don't call it in?

Uh, yea.

"Guys we can blow up B using an airstrike, I'm calling one in DON'T RUSH TO IT."

*4 dumbasses rush outside and get gibbed, I die, and sit out the rest of the objective.*


"Hey turns out we didn't need to hold this position (because you can never tell if you secure it on capture or not) so don't rush outside because we have an airstrike OTW."

*Uhh, Warlock here. Guns guns guns.*

*5 idiots are ventilated, and I die.*

Angry moron: DUDE WTF DID YOU BLOW ME UP FOR?

Great.

You'd be surprised how few people use headset mics in 2020 while playing an FPS game. It's a lot. The vast, sweeping majority of my games are played with completely silent teammates and it sucks.

引用自 Mercenary：

Ok actual solution:
remove reflect from first 2 firesupport calls only
and gunship at any time (excluding rockets)
an insurgent runs to a teammate, gunship shoots them
splash damage kills...
the insurgent and the guy next to them the commander

This is another good point of frustration. If a friendly and an enemy are close by and Cleric blasts them with the minigun, guess who gets friendly fire reflected back to them? The commander.

It's an asinine system that needs to be removed.

[Pop]

引用自 H A R D K V A § §：

It's an asinine system that needs to be removed.

While I agree that damage reflection can be an annoyance.
There are things that you can do as a commander to adapt.
Whether the developers will change the system in the future.
I don't know. I wouldn't count on any major change to be honest.

As the commander, learn the time it takes for different support to arrive.
Learn for how long they last, how the mechanics differ & when to call it.
Can't expect developers to change the game, don't expect people to change.
Use the microphone to tell people what's coming, or learn when to call things.

Almost all fire support should be proactive, before your team gets is in danger.
If you know where the enemy will come, what routes they take, it's easier.
Learn how to angle the strafe to not hit your team, is another example.
30 seconds defense left, might be the best time to call artillery on the next.

I've played commander for several hundred hours, with less than 1% collateral.
I hardly ever damage or kill any of the team, even though we end with 0 support.
Meaning, we manage to use all available fire support by the end of the round.
So whether you like it or not, it's possible to work around any limitation present.

[NickySins]

So you do a thread about getting teamkilled while arming the explosive cache, and now you do a thread about getting punished for teamkilling? I don't mean to be off-topic but wtf.

Just don't use fire support while you're attacking, only when defending. No one is gonna be rushing into your fire support if there's nowhere to rush.

[Andrew M. Yang]

theres no way to actually turn it off, but instead honestly if you are willing to take revenge on them during the match, just dont follow what they tell you to do. If they tell you to call in fire support, then dont. Its a team based game and dumb stuff happens, but I dont let it get it to me and if it does, I always have a teammate or two who backs me up and tks the player who doesnt care about teamwork at the last point. Those players only care about their K:D, not the teamwork strategy in the game.

[Democracy Enjoyer]

Was just TK'd by this kid named TheAutisticKid69. He was able to shoot me to death with an M16 without the damage reflection killing him first. How exactly is this stupid system working as intended?

[NickySins]

引用自 H A R D K V A § §：

Was just TK'd by this kid named TheAutisticKid69. He was able to shoot me to death with an M16 without the damage reflection killing him first. How exactly is this stupid system working as intended?

You can kill 1 person before the reflection can actually kill you.

[Pete]

There's quite a few issues with Insurgency. This is NOT one of them.

[Commisar Jon Fuklaw]

引用自 Helen Keller：

There's quite a few issues with Insurgency. This is NOT one of them.

Except it is.

[El Kapro]

Getting killed by this because your idiot teammates don't equip FREE gas masks is something else.

[MLB7]

引用自 El Kapro：

Getting killed by this because your idiot teammates don't equip FREE gas masks is something else.

You should tell them how to equip it since low levels won't always know.

Lets not forget that the commander is often the idiot in these situations. Is the commander calling stuff in when the teammates are not having a problem pushing up close to point? Just because you can call fire support doesn't mean you need to.

[NickySins]

引用自 MLB7：

引用自 El Kapro：

Getting killed by this because your idiot teammates don't equip FREE gas masks is something else.

Just because you can call fire support doesn't mean you need to.

+1

Well said.

[🎀 Buxom Bimbo Milf 🎀]

引用自 El Kapro：

Getting killed by this because your idiot teammates don't equip FREE gas masks is something else.

Except you don't get killed if you have yours equiped even when damage is being reflected at you.
Unless it's different in pvp and it's just a feature for coop games.

[Democracy Enjoyer]

引用自 El Kapro：

Getting killed by this because your idiot teammates don't equip FREE gas masks is something else.

They're only free for insurgents.